Classical Music too soft

I have an issue with the classical music I've gotten off of iTunes for my iPod. It's just too soft. Using the "Sound Check" feature doesn't help as it only compresses the signal so it's all soft.
It's even more noticeable with the Belkin iPod system I just put in my Scion. It's cool because I can change songs with the iPod in the glove box, but on the classical music, I can turn the stereo up to "Max" and barely hear it. I'm about ready to have them take the Belkin system out.
Any ideas?

No, my volume limiter isn't on. It's at full volume, but that doesn't matter with the Belkin system.

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For Apple. Pay attention - I want my flexibility back!! Remember Apple - the Customer is Always Right!

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Interactions should be minmal to achieve what the user wants to do or what the user does most-often, not what you might want them to do and not trying to alter how they want to do it, particularly if it makes it less intuitive.
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I started to write this as a response to somebody else's query, but then I thought no, I'm asking for general guidance on the best way to organise classical music to be listened to on my Mac and on my iPod.
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A pretty obvious case for nested folders? (Not to mention having a clear consistent way to order and group movements.)
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If you have a playlist for every symphony within a folder called Symphonies within Beethoven, you end up with at least nine playlists to scroll through! (Imagine the effect on my 400+ Bach items.)
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When not cursing Apple, I have already grouped music in folders by composer/broad category of music (in the case of the main composers) and under one playlist for minor composers (ie ones which I dont have much music for).
I'm painfully renaming every Name of every piece so that the movements appear in the correct order.
I'm painfully renaming the Album name of each piece so that all movements have exactly the same Album name (starting with 'Composername: )
(By the way I tried and abandoned some people's strategies involving calling Composers 'Artists' and vice versa. Too messy, and besides, I do from time to time download the metadata from Gracenote CDDB - deeply flawed though it is - and don't want to have to do more editing than necessary.
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What, for example will you do with an albmum of Maria Callas singing arias from many composers?
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Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major, BWV 1042, III. Allegro assai
On the iPod Touch display, this translates to:
Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major...
Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major...
Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major...
Considering Apple's much-vaunted design prowess, this is a surprising user interface flaw.
I submitted an enhancement request, but I wanted to vent publicly, too. I feel better now.

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This becomes troublesome when I try to shuffle my music. I'll often listen to iTunes for 6 hours running, and would like it to randomly pick music. However, I would also like it to pick the movements of my classical music in order.
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HT201272 I have several long classical music downloads that do not finish or skip after a minute to the next track. The iTunes store recognizes these as successful downloads. They are not, but there is no way to complete the downloads now. Or is there?

Using ITunes support was useless. The support help says that they can be downloaded if I go to the store again. But the store says that they are downloaded and will not download them. It will only allow me to delete them or more correctly "hide" them.
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Welcome to the Apple Community.
Try deleting the problematic tune (electing to remove original file if/when prompted) and then re-downloading the file from the iTunes store.
You can re-download content purchased from the iTunes store (availability varies depending on location) using the purchased option from the Quick Links section in the top right corner of the iTunes homepage in your iTunes application on your computer.
You can re-download content purchased from the iTunes store (availability varies depending on location) using the purchased option at the bottom of the screen of the iTunes app on your iOS device.
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OK - I have a fairly large library and probably 50% of it has meta-data that when pulled up automatically I leave (this is for the bulk, but not all of non-classical genres) as is post import and/or purchase from itunes. Now, here is the enchilada:
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2. If pulled from CDDB, leave it as is
3. My methodology: I do both 1 & 2 and more than 95% of the time I have to tweak the way it looks.
Assuming all of this is common amongst the 65,000,000 iTunes users, I would love to know how Genius works with this - I uploaded to he Genius Cloud last night my library. How does Genius look at the same album which may have either simple or significant meta-data discrepencies/changes vs. the way it is in the iTunes system? Have I lost anyone in my rambling??
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Volume is too soft.

The volume on my iPod is too soft. I've tried different headphones, but I have to have it at maximum level to hear the music. I have tried resetting all the settings, but it did not work.

I have found playing from the headphone jack plays softer on car stereos and what not and while with earbuds I tend to use the volume around 1/3, when playing in my car I have to play the volume on the iPod up to about 80-90% to get "normal" levels.
So have you tried simply cranking up the volume on the iPod itself first?
When you play out of the dock connector, this doesn't work because it is a line level output and the iPod's volume control doesn't do anything. But when playing out of the headphone jack, the iPod's volume can be and should be adjusted up high.
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I listen to classical music, and my iPhone won't download certain tracks over the 3G network. It says I must connect to wi-fi. I assume that it is because the file sizes are too large since movements of symphonies tend to be 10 or 15 minutes long. Anyone else having this problem and is there a solution? I know I can download them over wi-fi, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of iTunes Match which should allow you to have access to your whole library ANYWHERE?

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ITunes for classical music

iTunes' structures are for "songs" (one song, one track). A CD of classical music contains one or more "works", each consisting of one or more "movements" (usually one track, one movement). How can I store and manage classical music with iTunes, or are there any alternative applications?

Obviously, different users will have different approaches to this problem.
I too am an avid fan of classical music (my iTunes library is over 90% classical). I'm not a great fan of a multiplicity of playlists, though, so I adopt a different approach. I have separate genres for different types of musical pieces — Chamber, Instrumental, Vocal, Operatic and so on. I then have one enclosing folder in my Source list (I call it Classical Categories), within which I have a number of smart playlists (Chamber Music, Concerto, Instrumental, Orchestral, Symphonic). I view these smart playlists as lists grouped with artwork and sort these lists by composer. This has the effect of neatly dealing with those situations where the original CD contains works by different composers, since it separates these out and displays them separately. CDs devoted to music by a single composer still remain grouped as a single item, but viewing as a list grouped with artwork helps make each CD stand out from its neighbours and aids clarity.
Using the search field within any of my smart playlists gives me instant access, for example, to all symphonies or all concertos (or whatever) by any single composer. In many ways, indeed, iTunes has proved to be a better way to access music in my library than was ever possible with physical CDs on shelves — I've lost track of the number of times I've found it frustratingly difficult to find a particular piece of music 'in the old days' because it was part of a CD which I'd filed under a different composer's name because music by that composer was what I bought the CD for originally.
As I say, we'll all find different solutions to the problem of using iTunes for classical music, but I'm happy with mine. What would be wonderfully helpful would be for Apple to introduce into iTunes the grouping by 'Work' which they use in the iTunes Store. I also wish they'd drop the use of that word 'song', which is so frustratingly inappropriate in a classical context, and replace it with 'track'. I've submitted feedback about these points on numerous occasions. Perhaps Apple will address the needs of classical collectors at some time in the future.

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