Classical Music Track Listings

Even my ancient monochrome LCD iPod could present scrolling track titles when there were too many characters to display at once. On the iPod Touch (2G), such titles are truncated with an ellipsis (...).
This is particularly problematic for classical music listeners. I just purchased an album of Bach Violin Concertos, and the first few track titles are:
Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major, BWV 1042, I. Allegro
Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major, BWV 1042, II. Adagio
Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major, BWV 1042, III. Allegro assai
On the iPod Touch display, this translates to:
Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major...
Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major...
Violin Concerto No. 2 in E Major...
Considering Apple's much-vaunted design prowess, this is a surprising user interface flaw.
I submitted an enhancement request, but I wanted to vent publicly, too. I feel better now.

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Disappointed with errors in classical music track metadata

I recently purchased Spotify Premium and, as a classical music fan, have been greatly enjoying the excellent sound quality and ad-free service. However, I have one big issue with Spotify's content: Several classical recordings I regularly listen to are incorrectly titled, or the recordings themselves just cut off after 20 seconds (ie the track itself is only 20 seconds long) when the full track should be a few minutes long. I have submitted feedback forms multiple times with no apparent action taken. Here are a few examples of this: The first 1-2 tracks of each cantata in this album (https://open.spotify.com/track/2MMkxPJe4AiiO3Vx7Eek04) are truncated. You can hear that in the track that I'm linking to -- it's only 22 seconds long but the piece has barely started.This album is completely, entirely mislabled. https://open.spotify.com/track/6QwUCTNHMqdgB5q7PJoSh5 . The first 6 tracks are all Suite No. 1, and instead they're labeled as 6 entirely separate Suites. It appears that this is a problem with the CD metadata, as it's also happening on the Amazon listings I can find. Here are the correct titles for the first 6 tracks:
Suite No. 1 in G Major: Preludium
Suite No. 1 in G Major: Allemande
Suite No. 1 in G Major: Courante
Suite No. 1 in G Major: Sarabande
Suite No. 1 in G Major: Menuetto
Suite No. 1 in G Major: Gigue
This particular CD also has a duplicate listing which is also mislabeled. (https://open.spotify.com/track/42OxCbovuegKeLtR3Pv2Iw)These are actually two of my favorite albums, so this is really impacting my enjoyment of Spotify's premiums service. Thanks!

Hey
That feature is still there.
Try a clean reinstall of Spotify to see if that fixes the problem.
First uninstall Spotify and then delete these folders if they exist:
C:\Users\YOURUSERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Spotify
and C:\Users\YOURUSERNAME\AppData\Local\Spotify
After that reinstall Spotify
If you can't find the folder, try this:
Uninstall Spotify: Start > Control Panel > Programs / Uninstall a Program > Spotify
Find your AppData folder and delete all Spotify data.
Start, run, type: %appdata% and hit enter
You probably see 4 folders; enter each and see if they contain a folder called Spotify. Delete the entire Spotify folder.
Restart your computer at this point.
Reinstall Spotify (download)

I have an iPod of rock and pop tracks which i generally use on shuffle mode. Now I have a second iPod to store classical music. If I plug it in to my pc will it duplicate my rock and pop or will it register as a different device?

I have an iPod Classic with rock and pop tracks on which I generally play in shuffle mode. I have now bought a second iPod Classic to store and play classical music as I don't want to shuffle rock with classical. What will happen when I attach the new iPod to my pc? Will it register as a new device with an iTunes file of its own, or will it duplicate what I already have on the original iPod?

You can attach the second iPod and configure it to sync whatever content you like without affecting the first iPod. I would take a look at this article for different ways to manage multiple iPods on one computer.
How to use multiple iPods, iPads, or iPhones with one computer
B-rock

Some of my tracks in my iTunes library (eg: audiobooks, lengthy classical music pieces) only play for either 6 or 8 minutes then halt. Why?

So if there is a track that would last longer than 6 or 8 minutes, the track simply stops playing.
My library has been built over 6 or 7 years, contains no illegal music, 85% bought from iTunes, rest is ripped CDs. I have transferred my library at least three times from laptop to laptop as I have upgraded machines, and used different account names and passwords as I have moved around in my job. As an aside, every time I transfer the library it screws up, always the audiobooks and always the classical music and how I have it all catalogued.
I am asuming it's a iTunes library problem, not a problem with my iPod classic?
All help and advice gratefully received; thanks.

Actually I think that its a problem with either the gapless data or the song volume settings that has been brought by itunes 7. When adding new files to the library, iTunes takes a while to determine volume/gapless information. I have replaced files and itunes didn't check the volume and info again, that is why every song stops playing at the last 40 seconds only on the iPod.
I re-added one of the bad files and it played perfectly, but I don't want to lose the data on the other 60 odd files, so is there a way of forcing iTunes to recheck these files? (otherwise i'd have to re-rate and play the songs to the level they are right now)

HT201272 I have several long classical music downloads that do not finish or skip after a minute to the next track. The iTunes store recognizes these as successful downloads. They are not, but there is no way to complete the downloads now. Or is there?

Using ITunes support was useless. The support help says that they can be downloaded if I go to the store again. But the store says that they are downloaded and will not download them. It will only allow me to delete them or more correctly "hide" them.
There are issues with downloads taken on two separate computers.
Another question is why do all of the earlier Classical downloads, made five or so year ago or more, cut the very ends of each track of Classical music short and cue up the next track too quickly?

Welcome to the Apple Community.
Try deleting the problematic tune (electing to remove original file if/when prompted) and then re-downloading the file from the iTunes store.
You can re-download content purchased from the iTunes store (availability varies depending on location) using the purchased option from the Quick Links section in the top right corner of the iTunes homepage in your iTunes application on your computer.
You can re-download content purchased from the iTunes store (availability varies depending on location) using the purchased option at the bottom of the screen of the iTunes app on your iOS device.
If the problem re-occurs, select the content which is causing a problem and use the 'Report a problem' button in Your Purchase History using your computer.

How do I stop iTunes from re-altering my sorting info for classical music?

Hi there. Hope someone can help. This is really irritating me now.
I have a lot of classical music in my iTunes library. Since very early on I have taken the decision to alter the Artist name in the sort field to the name of the composer rather than the performer as the listing of artists in classical music is so inconsistent (sometimes it's the orchestra, or the orchestra & conductor, or just the conductor, or the soloists, or it changes from track to track). I have kept the performer's details in the Comments box.
This has been absolutely fine until the last year or so, when I have noticed that music that I have downloaded from the iTunes store automatically reverts to the original sorting information even though I've changed it. So, for instance, I will have changed "Alfred Brendel" to "Mozart" as the Artist for a Mozart piano sonata. And even though I have changed the Artist, the Album Artist, the Sort Artist and the Sort Album Artist ALL to Mozart and synced that successfully to my iPhone, the next time that I launch iTunes or turn on my iPhone it will all mysteriously have reverted to the original sorting information. And I don't want that for classical music - fine for rock, pop etc., but classical music has a different set of priorities. I'm guessing this has something to do with iCloud, but how do I stop it happening? It is really tedious to keep altering these things. And some bizarre anomalies have appeared, such as some early Baroque music (Monteverdi) being labelled by iTunes as Electronic in the genre box!! Which it clearly isn't! But the same thing happens - I change the genre, but it changes back! Surely once I sort something it should stay sorted!
I'm sure there's a fantastically obvious explanation for this, and I apologise for missing it. But I don't know what to do . I have iTunes 11.3.1 and am running OS 10.9.4 (Mavericks).
Many thanks.

Yes, others are seeing this. Something in purchased media (I am pretty sure this has only happened with purchased media) is periodically checking back with the iTunes Store and resetting the tags in the iTunes library file but not in the actual media files (metadata are stored in both). I haven't seen a truly systematic diagnosis of the issue (I use an old iTunes and have no iTunes account so I can't test anything myself). There are temporary workarounds but tags will still revert after a time.
2014 discussion about edited tags for Store purchases reverting to originals - https://discussions.apple.com/message/26077896#26077896 - edited tags are still present in the media file but revert to the originals in the iTunes library file. Workaround is to refresh tags so media file tags are re-read and used in library file.
https://discussions.apple.com/message/26193185#26193185
https://discussions.apple.com/message/26335620#26335620 - user ended up rebuilding iTunes library from scratch
Send feedback to Apple about this so they know it is an issue they need to investigate:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html
Don't expect an immediate solution but maybe the next time they update the software it may be resolved.

My iPod all of a sudden started to screw up the track listings! Help!

I am one of those people that likes to make sure all of my music in iTunes is with all of its album art, track listings, titles, album order, etc. are all correct. My iPod on the most latest sync decided to seemly arbitrarily scramble some of my albums such that the track listing is out of order. The funny thing is that it is all properly ordered in iTunes (as it has been for quite some time). The point is I haven't changed anything in my iTunes and it started to do this without any known provocation.
Is anyone else having this problem? I wish I could try to fix it but I do see anything I can do.
Please help!
Thanks

Try:
- iOS: Not responding or does not turn on
- Also try DFU mode after try recovery mode
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- If not successful and you can't fully turn the iOS device fully off, let the battery fully drain. After charging for an least an hour try the above again.
- Try on another computer
- If still not successful that usually indicates a hardware problem and an appointment at the Genius Bar of an Apple store is in order.
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How do I omit pauses when downloading classical music? Is it possible to make a single 'song' for a symphony or set of preludes?

I only have classical music downloaded into iTunes and the system does not apear to recognise familiar formats in this genre. With somehting like Bach or Shostakovich preludes, pauses between them are bearable: but I would never wish to shuffle them.However with opera, singing and orchestral pieces often run into each other without pause. Is it possible to link a set of what iTunes calls 'songs' into a seamless whole? Also with a symphony it would be extremely attractive to omil the Shuffle option altogether: it can be activated by mistake. Is there any way of telling it to go away?

Also with a symphony it would be extremely attractive to omil the Shuffle option altogether: it can be activated by mistake. Is there any way of telling it to go away?
Dredwina,
Highlight the track(s), right-click, Get Info, and go to the Options tab. Put a checkmark on "Skip When Shuffling," the OK out.

Why is iTunes11 against classical music?

As someone involved in the international regulation of cyberspace and the standards that enable it to function, I have watched Apple recently make a number of mistakes that are increasingly isolating it from governments and the commercial, particularly business, marketplace. Their non-participation in many of the key international committees in our collaborative world is a pity, not just for Apple, but for its customers - including me. In particular, they aren't participating in key cybersecurity groups, so there is a real possibility in the future that Apple's hardware will be physically unable to connect to any trusted network for the handling of sensitive information, such as your patient record. Their folly is breathtaking. I am discovering more shortcomings in Apples latest products, which is a pity. Most of these affect me professionally.
However, this one affects me personally. It is their refusal to engage with loyal customers that is the most frustrating issue - you can tell by the mood in these support communities. What has really got me is the way in which Apple has really gone to war on classical music folks in iTunes 11, by removing a wide range of controls for managing and listening to tracks (not songs, these are (media) tracks, Apple, not all musicians are singers!). In iTunes 11, Apple has completely failed to understand that Albums have Artists (as well as Album Artists) and Composers. And Composers are at least as important as Albums or Artists.
In iTunes 11, when I click on an Album, I cannot get it to show a composer for the tracks on the Album under any circumstances. Worse, when you search on a composer using keywords, it doesn't find all the tracks for that composer (so there is a problem in the search engine, which worked fine previously). So my/our ability to sort our music to listen to albums or tracks by a specific composer, which has been in iTunes for as long as I can remember, has gone in iTunes 11. So too has reliable, accurate searching. What a shambles. It lays bare Apple's failure to test products properly - I regret to say this is happening elsewhere with an increasing frequency.
Has anyone found a way to correct Apple's massive errors and restore the flexibility of iTunes10 in iTunes11 to:
reconfigure the Album window so that it displays attributes that the user requires, not what Apple's uncultured nerd limits the user to seeing.
extend the View options which are far too limited. This is a database, so I should have enough controls to manage and view the data
configure the Bar that has Songs, Albums, Artists, Genres, Videos and Radio to add other attributes, particularly Composers and Album Artist
find ways to sort by any attribute in other views. I can only get the attribute list to show when you have Songs selected.
For Apple. Pay attention - I want my flexibility back!! Remember Apple - the Customer is Always Right!

You are SO right about making things useful to the user:
Interactions should be minmal to achieve what the user wants to do or what the user does most-often, not what you might want them to do and not trying to alter how they want to do it, particularly if it makes it less intuitive.
User interfaces should be natural and intuitive, not convoluted nor indirect, requiring the least thought and action, with ALL natural actions being in front of the user at EACH and EVERY step of a process.
'Pretty' should be an addition or an option, way down the list past 'Functional' and 'Usable'.
It matters less, strangely, what genre or type we're discussing, the issues are the same: things which were once easy, natural and intuitive now require more actions in many cases to achieve the desired results while things that are decorative but less useful require few (but not always fewER) actions.
Saddening, isn't it?

What does iTunes match do to my indexing scheme for classical music?

Over the years I developed a fair-sized collection of classical music CDs. It took time to decide on a scheme to pigeon-hole them into iTunes, but I did a fair job of putting them in by genre (Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, etc.).
Then I standardized the composer names. The problem was that the online CD library was not consistent. Sometimes Mendelssohn was entered as F. Mendelssohn, other times as Mendelssohn, Felix, etc.
Additional problems arise when you want to find all piano concertos in a minor key or symphonies that are scored for triple winds.
Anyone still reading is probably a musician and may understand these idiosyncrasies of classical music taxonomy. What happens when there are alternate endings or even movements (e.g., Mahler)? What happens when there are different orchestrators of the same piece (e.g., Pictures at an Exhibition)? What happens when you have multiple recordings of the same piece either played by different artists or the same artist at different times in his/her life (Gould)?
So, as much as I'm interested in iTunes Match, I'm concerned that it may not provide enough information about the music it finds and/or will screw up the index system I have created for my roughly 1000 CDs.
Can anyone shed some light on how iTunes Match works with classical music?
Thank you.

I'm wondering if anyone can give advice about how to move a classical CD library to iTunes match cloud storage starting from scratch -- that is to say, nothing is presently in iTunes or on computer yet.
And has anyone has tried Amazon cloud music for the same function, is it easier?
I have a few hundred CDs, 99% classical, and have never ripped or digitized them. So my library is entirely on the original CDs, and I dread spending hundreds of hours loading them one by one into a computer drive, copying them, and then having iTunes match try to upload and "match" it.
However, some of my CDs date to the 1980s and although they have no scratches (I care for them very gently) they seem to be corroding. So much for a lifetime of music.
I don't even have a CD/DVD on my Mac so I will have to buy a Superdrive -- or could I use a networked CD/DVD from an old Windows PC?
So, does anyone know if:
(1) can iTunes match recognize a CD as soon as its inserted, if it is indeed a match, save time?
(2) If not, for those who have "ripped" to iTunes many classical CDs, what are some tips so that tracks are handled properly -- what format for lossless copying, how to ensure the different movements of a symphony are not shuffled, operas don't have weird pauses between tracks, etc.; and what format so that playback is as close to original quality as possible
(3) Are there any 3rd party programs that will save time so I don't have to type in all the info -- composer, orchestra, conductor, lead performer... I'd like all that in the library on the Mac but with me having to take as little time as possible to type it in. Any way to take a PDF of the liner note booklet and "link" the scan to the electronic version of the disc that's in the cloud iTunes match so I could keep the liner notes online too? Any 3rd party programs that can take the barcode from the back of the disc and match with an already-online copy of the liner notes so I don't have to spend hours scanning booklets?
(4) Any services where for a reasonable sum I can ship my CDs and have someone else take care of all this?
Would appreciate any pointers. Thanks!

Cannot delete composer field in iTunes - so cannot use it to search my classical music collection !

To search my classical music collection easily within iTunes, I delete the composer field for all non-classical music. This works nicely on my Mac and on my old iPod. However, when I sync with my newish iPhone and iPad - the composer is still listed ! I chatted to Apple support and they said this was known behaviour and not a bug.
The failure for a composer deletion to sync, means that I cannot easily search my classical music - instead I have to wade through millions of non-classical composers in my collection (I search the non-classical music by using the artist field).
I think others have had this problem judging by other fora. I wondered if anyone knows of a sneaky fix, or whether Apple intend to correct this problem - which I'm guessing is alienating anyone who has sizeable classical music collection !
Thanks !

I have exactly the same issue. First for me the issue is only related to songs purchased on iTunes. Second the field is updated as long as I put something there. But as soon as I delete it completely (and the same behaviour I have with other fields like track number) iPhone picks up original value. My guess is that for any blank filed it tries to get the value from iTunes store. It is extremely annoying as I also use composer filed for classical music only. The only solution to that problem is stop buying from iTunes store.

What's Best Approach for Multitrack Classical Music?

Can someone suggest the best approach for recording classical musicians onto
four tracks? In this scenario, they play until they make a mistake on, say,
measure 24, stop, then (take 2) go back to measure 20 and play until the next
rough spot, and so on. Ultimately there may be 15 takes that all need to be
trimmed and stitched together.
In the old (tape) days, this was pretty basic editing. I would use a blade and block
to cut out all the bad stuff on the multitrack tape, then I could mix. But how do I
do this in Audition? (I use version 1.5.)
I can't do the cuts it in edit view because the tracks would get out of sync
Assuming all the takes are in one session, in multitrack view, this most basic of
functions seems to elude me. What am I missing?

Al the Drifter wrote:
If you follow Steve's advice, and after doing the edits you discover
that one instrument should come up 1db, you are screwed.
I could be wrong about this in the classical music environment,
where things are not close-mic'ed but if I am, I am confident Steve
will correct me. Ha.
You always run the risk of small changes between takes - and that's where Audition 3 and the new improved crossfades score rather heavily. You won't notice 1dB on a single instrument across a fade though - it's hard to spot this as a jump, even, unless it's on pure tone. No, I very rarely close-mic stuff at all, although I did with a clavichord recently - it's seriously too quiet to mic any other way.
jaypea500 wrote:
when recording classical music, any engineer worth anything has the mix down pat as it's being recorded.
That's the way they used to work, certainly - but not nowadays, especially if it's done on location, which most classical recording is. What's more likely to happen is that you'd use decent mic preamps feeding straight into a multitrack, or even some software on a laptop. I generally record like that - but I also feed the multitrack outputs to a Yamaha mixer via ADAT, do a mix on that and record it back to a spare multitrack pair. I don't actually need to do that - but having a mix available from the multitrack that's pretty much there is good as far as being able to play back takes to conductors is concerned.
Of course, one of the other reasons that classical sessions recorded on location aren't mixed on the spot is that the monitoring conditions are invariably far from ideal, and I'd have it that no engineer worth anything would ever risk a final mix done on location.
But I only get paid to do all of this on a regular basis, so what would I know? Must be something though - my customers come back for more...

Classical Music Information is incorrect

I have been having a problem with Classical Music when I rip my own Classical CDs. After contacting Gracenote about this problem (I had assumed that they were putting track information under the "Artist" category), and they claimed that this is a problem with iTunes and how it massages data from Gracenote. When I rip a CD I find I have to hand-enter much of the information - almost nothing is right - and if you know Classical music, you know there is LOTS of information. Like What is the composer, work, work number, opus number, what key, movement, movement identifier, orchestra, soloist, or other performer - well you get the picture. And some have even more info. Even Microsoft Windows Player gets more things right - if they have the data. I find that Gracenote is more likely to have knowledge of the CD, but the data really is all in the wrong place. If I just go with the way it comes on iTunes, I can't even put all the movements of one Symphony together easily without searching around for all the bits, and then making a specific playlist for that Symphony (heaven help me when I have more than one different CDs with the same Symphony on it with a different performance). You know, Classical listeners buy a LOT of music, and I love the idea of having a great library that I can hook up to any stereo in the house or car, but if I have to re-enter all this information I suspect Classical music lovers will look someplace else. It makes me wonder if Apple understands the breadth of the music marketplace.

Donna, I fully agree. The tags provided for classical music are not helpful / informatic in most cases. Also, there are annoying mistakes in the database structure, i.e. sortings by first name (!!). I wonder if furture updates will provide a better usablility. As for me - I do the entries on my own.

Classical music

What happened to your classical music access on iTunes? I could not find any way to get to it today.
Philip Shelton
[email protected]

Insert the CD. Before you Import, select the tracks
you want to play as one.
Go to Advanced menu, select Join CD Tracks, then
import.
Thanks for this, which solves the CD problem. But is it possible to join the tracks of a CD I buy and download from the iTunes store? The Join CD Tracks isn't highlighted, which suggests the only possibility is to join them before I download. Is that possible?

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