Client copy and delta initialization

Hello all,
We want to copy the source system, i.e. make a client copy.
Could you all please advise me what will happen with delta? Should I initialize again after the copy?
Please guide me.

Hi,
Before you do a copy, make sure that your deltas have been fetched from the DeltaQueue into BW and that no delta is pending. After the client copy, an inconsistency might occur between BW delta tables and the OLTP delta tables as described in Note 405943.
After the client copy, Table ROOSPRMSC may be empty in the OLTP since this table is client-independent.
After the system copy, the table will contain the entries with the old logical system name that are no longer useful for further delta loading from the new logical system. The delta must be initialized in any case since delta depends on both the BW system and the source system. Even if no dump 'MESSAGE_TYPE_X' occurs in BW when editing or creating an InfoPackage, you should expect that the delta have to be initialized after the copy.

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Its basic question
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Murali,
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here is the result..
http://help.sap.com/printdocu/core/print46c/en/data/pdf/bcctscco/bcctscco.pdf
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