Client dependent & client independent objects

Hi All,
What is meant by client independent & client dependent ?
I know that sapscripts are client dependent while smartfiorms are client independent. Also reports & FMs are client independent.
Want to have a better idea on this concept....
Thanks in advance..
Sweta

If you create a table in 010 client in DEV server with CLNT as its first fields type, then you will find that table structure in all clients in DEV server. (i.e client independent)
example: function module, abap program, smart form.
If you create a record in that table in 010 client, you will not find that record in other clients. (i.e client dependent)
Example: script.
Sap script was developed a long back.
smartform is developed to avoid these type of some restrictions
Also:
Client dependent Means if you create that data in one client is limited to that client only and it is not accessable in other clients
Like SAP SCRIPTS and STD texts data
where as Client Independent means the data if you create in one client that is available in that as well as in other clients
Like SMARTFORMS, All dictionary Objects data and Repository objects data like Programs, Fun modules, tables etc..
There is no specific reason behind why scripts are client dep[endent and smartforms are client independent!!!
As for SAP -- Scripts are called client dependent because if you create client in say,200 it would be available in that only.If you want to test the script in client 300 then it won't be there,you will have to go to transaction se71 in 300 .Then Utilities-> Copy from client.Give the source as 200 & form name(i.e. script name) & copy.
Few more reasons why....? Please read below:
SAPscript technology is based on a mainframe product from the 1980s.SAPscript forms have always been -- under the hood -- relatively passive objects, with minimal embedded logic. These forms were designed to be driven and controlled by ABAP programs, much in the way ABAP programs read in database tables to produce reports;
if you ever download a SAPscript form (e.g., via utility program RSTXSCRP), and look at the portable text file it produces you'll see what I mean.
Many text objects (e.g., invoice header texts) are bound directly to documents which are client-dependent, so it makes sense for these text objects to also be client-dependent. From a complexity standpoint, SAPscript forms are close enough to these text objects where I can see how it made sense at the time to make them client-dependent too.
MANDT is the field which differenciates the table from Client Dependent and Client Independent Tables.
All the Scripts are Client Dependent Objects
Smart Forms, Function Modules are Client Independent Objects.

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why sapscripts are client dependent & smart forms are client independent?

You developed the script in development client , you can't find the same in testing client even though the server is same.
Where are You developed the smartform in development client , you can find the same in testing client even though the server is same.
Few more reasons why....? Please read below:
SAPscript technology is based on a mainframe product from the 1980s,
while Smart Forms have only been around since (roughly) 2001. With that sort of time gap,
there are bound to be significant differences between the two tools. As you have noted correctly, client dependence is a fundamental one.
Although SAPscript has had some incremental improvements over time,
its forms have always been -- under the hood -- relatively passive objects, with minimal embedded logic.
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much in the way ABAP programs read in database tables to produce reports;
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Urgent:Why Script is cliend dependant and smartform is not client dependant

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Can any one pls tell me why script is client dependent and smartform is not client dependant.
<b>Please give some real time examples in brief</b>
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1. script is client dependent one while smartform is client independent.
2. In scripts we have to write print program while in smart forms it is not necessary.
3. In scripts we can print background logo while in smartforms we cant print background logo
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5. In scripts we should write paragraph format otherwise we cant execute program while in smartforms no need to create paragraph formats .
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while in smartforms we can do with more.
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SAPscript technology is based on a mainframe product from the 1980s, while Smart Forms have only been around since (roughly) 2001. With that sort of time gap, there are bound to be significant differences between the two tools. Client dependence is a fundamental one. Although SAPscript has had some incremental improvements over time, its forms have always been -- under the hood -- relatively ...
also refer
difference between smartforms and scripts
Diff betwen Scripts & smartforms
advantages of smartforms over scripts
Whenever a smartform is created, a funciton module gets generated. So, we can access the smartform in different clients. But in case of scripts, it is not so.. So, scripts are client dependent.
Smart Forms are implemented using the Function Module SSF*, and all the logic lies in the FM. Function Modules are client independent objects, so Smart forms are also client independent
SAP Scripts are the Layout Forms that you design and there are aviable in the client in which you have created them, for making them available you have to copy across the clients.
Because, Sapscripts are saved in ITF format as text in client dependant tables STXH and STXL. smartforms are not saved in client dependant tables and visible across clients.
SAPscript technology is based on a mainframe product from the 1980s, while Smart Forms have only been around since (roughly) 2001. With that sort of time gap, there are bound to be significant differences between the two tools. As you have noted correctly, client dependence is a fundamental one.
Although SAPscript has had some incremental improvements over time, its forms have always been -- under the hood -- relatively passive objects, with minimal embedded logic. These forms were designed to be driven and controlled by ABAP programs, much in the way ABAP programs read in database tables to produce reports; if you ever download a SAPscript form (e.g., via utility program RSTXSCRP), and look at the portable text file it produces you'll see what I mean. Many text objects (e.g., invoice header texts) are bound directly to documents which are client-dependent, so it makes sense for these text objects to also be client-dependent. From a complexity standpoint, SAPscript forms are close enough to these text objects where I can see how it made sense at the time to make them client-dependent too.
Conversely, a Smart Form is significantly more robust and complex. For instance, it can contain program nodes and nested tables with patterns. When a Smart Form is compiled, it generates an ABAP function module and these are always client-independent. This is appropriate, given that this form has more in common with an ABAP program than its predecessor. For instance, when a print program calls a Smart Form, the form itself takes over to produce output, without any further direction from the print program. In fact, the join is so seamless that I often find myself using a Smart Form's Initialization section for logic to handle any data gathering not handled by the print program. I would never even think to attempt this with SAPscript.
I suspect several factors figured into SAP's decision to make Smart Forms client-independent, including customer feedback. There are significant advantages to client-independence. For instance, a change made in one development client happens immediately across all development clients. Among other things, this means we don't have to waste time figuring which client contains the most recent version -- they all do! In addition, transporting Smart Forms is easier, since we can safely bundle them together in the same transport as their client-independent print programs (no worry about mixing client-dependent and independent objects).
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why the sapscript called as client dependent? y smartform not?

Few more reasons why....? Please read below:
SAPscript technology is based on a mainframe product from the 1980s,
while Smart Forms have only been around since (roughly) 2001. With that sort of time gap,
there are bound to be significant differences between the two tools. As you have noted correctly, client dependence is a fundamental one.
Although SAPscript has had some incremental improvements over time,
its forms have always been -- under the hood -- relatively passive objects, with minimal embedded logic.
These forms were designed to be driven and controlled by ABAP programs,
much in the way ABAP programs read in database tables to produce reports;
if you ever download a SAPscript form (e.g., via utility program RSTXSCRP),
and look at the portable text file it produces you'll see what I mean.
Many text objects (e.g., invoice header texts) are bound directly to documents which are client-dependent, so it makes sense for these text objects to also be client-dependent. From a complexity standpoint, SAPscript forms are close enough to these text objects where I can see how it made sense at the time to make them client-dependent too.
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