Clients on extended network

Hi all
How can I tell if my new Airport Express n is really extending my network? I have an iPod Touch sitting in a dock right next to the AXn, but the iPod doesn't show up as a client in Airport Utility.
That is, when I go to Manual Setup > Wireless > Logging & Statistics > Logs and Statistics > Wireless Clients
the only client that shows up is the TC base station. No iPod.
On the other hand, the iPod seems to be showing more signal bars, but that may be wishful thinking on my part.
I'm new to all this and would appreciate any guidance I can get.
Thanks in advance
Jim

If you have a Mac laptop, open AirPort Utility and click on the AirPort Expess on lthe left.
On the right, look for the AirPort ID of the AirPort Express and jot that down.
Move your laptop close to the AirPort Express and wait a moment or two
Hold down the option key on your Mac while you click on the fan shaped AirPort icon at the top of the screen.
Look for the BSSID
That should match the AirPort ID of the AirPort Express, which tells you that your laptop is picking up the signal from the AirPort Express.
If you don't see the ID of the AirPort Express, your laptop is picking up the signal from the TC, indicating that your AirPort Express may be located too far from the TC to extend the signal, or there may have been a error in the configuration.
What are your results?

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OK, so I am an Apple virgin of 2 months experience, after many many years with Windows based PCs, so please be patient and gentle with me. Sorry about the long explanation.....
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Everything ran correctly and the range of the network was greatly increased.......great, job done...not!
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Alan, welcome to the discussions!
It appears that you want to set up a WDS arrangment, correct?
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Hello everyone,
I've seen several posts similar to this, and I've come pretty far in figuring this out but the final roadblock is scratching my head.
I purchased an Airport Express a few days ago to get my xbox 360 onto the internet without running a wire and without giving Microsoft my 100 dollars. I had it working under WDS but WDS trashed my network speed. I found out about the 802.11n version of 'extending' the network tonight. Got it all setup, so much easier than WDS!
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Cheers.

Hi
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You mention that the Express has a solid green led right? What if you move the laptop to be ethernet client of the Express, can the laptop now access the internet?
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In the next room I have an Airport Express in the entertainment center set up as a WDS remote.
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Would changing the TC and the AEBS to 5GHz help the iMac surf a little more tolerably?
How does that affect the other Express base stations?
Ideally - the internet signal would originate somewhere more in the middle of the house. But unfortunately, that is not the case.
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A major factor in this as well is that I would like to stream to the Express' using AirTunes.
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I bought an Airport Express (v. 7.6.4) about 6 months ago and it was working perfectly. I haven't moved the A.E. at all.
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It tells me to make sure that it is in range (which is irrelevant because above it says that the connection is excellent, and it is physically well in range), and the password is the same (which it is), and that it is set-up correctly (as far as I'm concerned I set it up correctly - just go to 'Other Wi-Fi Devices' and follow the instructions from there) and that it is working correctly (-maybe thats the problem??).
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Full network reset.. restart in order.. modem.. AE.. then Express with a few minutes gap between them..
Otherwise a full reset of everything and start over.. make sure the AE first is fully connected and working to the router.. probably in Bridge as your NZ ISP do not support PPPOE generally.. then setup Express again.. if it fails.. no problem do it again..
This time lock in down.. and most important DO NOT USE 7.6.4 it was is and ever shall be a lousy revision.. go back to 7.6.1 which was the last one that actually worked.
Factory reset.. use all smb naming.. ie short, no spaces and pure alphanumeric for everything in the network.
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There is no log view in v6.. you can see the whole log and how the wireless clients are working in v5.. all at once..
How to load 5.6 into later Lion & ML
1. Download 5.6 for Lion.
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1482
Click to open the dmg but do not attempt to install the pkg.. it won't work anyway.
Leave the package open on the desktop so you can see the file. AirportUtility56.pkg
2. Download and install unpkg.
http://www.timdoug.com/unpkg/
Run unpkg on the desktop.. If your Mac refuses to run the software, because it wasn’t downloaded from the Apple store, go to security in preferences and allow other software to work.. this is limitation of trade methinks. You can set back later if you like.
Now drag the AirPortUtility56.pkg file over to unpkg.. and it will create a new directory of the same name on the desktop.. in finder, open the new directory, drill down.. applications, utilities .. there lo and behold is Airport utility 5.6 .. drag it to your main utilities directory or just run it from current location.
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Here is what v5 offers.
Here is the equivalent from v6 toyland utility. Notice how pretty pictures predominate.. No hard core info .. whatsoever. No idea really what is going on.
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Airport Express - connected to ADSL modem (ground floor)
Airport Extreme - extended network over 5Ghz (ground floor)
Airport Express - extended network over 5Ghz (first floor)
I've used 2.5Ghz also...
I've got a problem where my macbook pro and other devices will connect to the airport extreme rather than the 2nd airport express which would provide the best connection. I'm also experiencing inconsistent performance for example, during the week i was getting anywhere from 5 to 10Mb/s but today anywhere between 0 to 3Mb/s.
I am thinking that Access Controls based on MAC addresses would be the best way to force the devices to connect to the correct base station, but every time i have tried this it had broken the links between the devices.
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IF you need clarification on anyting let me know.
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Hello,
My set up is a Netgear modem connected to DSL then into my airport extreme to provide the wireless network with the express to extend the network.
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Now when i extend the network via the express, clients connect to this but it removes the access control as i have not limited the express's access as i need it to serve different clients. How do I have the express base station inherit the extreme base stations access controls so it limits access in the same way? I don't want to limit the access of the express as different access clients need to access this extended network at the same time.
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shaker440, Welcome to the discussion area!
1. As an extended network, how many AEBS' can be setup to extend the network? (as bridges)
I'm sure there is a maximum but I don't know the number.
2. Any way to enable/select the 5GHz band for a WDS setup?
WDS is an 802.11b/g feature and therefore not supported when using 5 GHz. However 802.11n has a new "extend network" feature.
I'd like to keep the WPA2 security in place even tho it's a closed network and have a local machine able to administer these things if possible.
Is this a question? WPA2 is great security and you should use it. A "closed" network is a deception and only fools you into thinking it adds any security. The SSID/Network name is still broadcast between any connected client and the base station. Therefore the network name is easily detectable.
Any machine can be used to configure the AEBS at any time. There is no machine designated as the controller or admin.

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It is the same thing that you have set up now except you use the same wireless network name, same security settings and password as the "main" router and make sure that Bridge Mode is being used.
We can easily troubleshoot this if you want.
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You could, but it would not be dual band operation like you have now, and no more than 10 wireless clients would be able to connect to the AirPort Express. You also have available Ethernet ports on the AirPort Extreme in case you need to connect a device that way. In addition, the Extreme has a much better Wi-Fi antenna than the Express.

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I set up my Time Capsule as my base station and extended the network using an Airport Express. My question is, when I am logged onto the base station, will my computer automatically select whichever signal is stronger, the time capsule or the airport express... OR do I need to manually select whichever one is stronger?
I am guessing it will automatically select but I have not read this anywhere and would like to confirm.
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will my computer automatically select whichever signal is stronger, the time capsule or the airport express...
Yes, that's the whole idea behind having an extended network.

Time Capsule Access Control and Extended Network Question

I have a Time Capsule where I have set up a wireless network access list…and extended the network using an Airport Express unit. The Airport Express unit also has settings for an Access Control list. Do these need to be the same as the those for the network from TC that it is extending…or does that happen automatically…and if not what on earth are they for?
Thanks for any help…this doesn't seem clear from what I've read/seen.
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I have a Time Capsule where I have set up a wireless network access list…and extended the network using an Airport Express unit. The Airport Express unit also has settings for an Access Control list. Do these need to be the same as the those for the network from TC that it is extending…or does that happen automatically…and if not what on earth are they for?
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