Clipping paths inverting in CS3

I see that this has been discussed previously, (http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.3c05af0b/12) but the topic is now archived so I wondered if there are any new thoughts on the matter.
Images with clipping paths that work perfectly in CS and CS2 are coming into CS3 with the path inverted. The clipping paths are set up correctly in Photoshop, so it's not the paths that need to be fixed. Now I know that a simple fix is to go into Photoshop and create a mask using the path, but we work on catalogues with hundreds of images that are supplied to us with clipping paths - seemingly standard practice for the image libraries that are supplying the images.
Our catalogues/mailers are weekly productions so we have 5 on the go at any one time and that means a lot of images - up to 300 for each publication. Thankfully it doesn't affect every image!
I can't determine why it happens to some and not others, but it is definitely frustrating. We also have to redownload the images for each publication, so we end up fixing the same image over and over again. This is a consequence of how the image libraries that we are working with operate - we are not allowed to keep a copy of the images.
Has anyone come across a way around this, other than editing in Photoshop? Any suggestions gratefully received.
Steve
Indesign CS3, 10.5.4 on 3.06GHz Intel iMacs

Yes the images that invert are RGB, but then so are the ones that work perfectly - and all of them worked OK in CS2.
And yes, the path is set as 'subtract from shape area' - and THAT appears to be the difference between ones that work and ones that don't work...so what does that mean? Again, all the images worked fine in CS2.
Does it mean that CS3 (Photoshop/Indesign) is messing up the paths, or does it mean that CS2 (Photoshop/Indesign) was more forgiving? Unfortunately we no longer have CS2 installed so I can't test that.
Even though it is fairly simple to fix, and there are various ways to fix it, the problem still remains the amount of images that are affected and that we can't make a permanent fix to the images. next time we re-download them from the image libraries we will need to fix them again.
Perhaps I need to flag the problem images to the image libraries, but I want to be sure of my facts first.
Thanks for the input guys.

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Inspect the icons in screenshot
http://clippaths.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=2177661%3APhoto%3A5
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b correctly
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