Clips deleting themselves in Compound Clips

I have been editing compound clips and when I get half way through i notice early clips in the timeline are missing. So if there is clips ABCD in a connected clip, it will be now AC and the other clips are now gone. I've pressed undo until i saw when they were deleted and it seems when i'm selecting clips later in the timeline it selects earlier clips and deletes them with the clips i want to delete. This is causing a major headache as it seems to be random, I can't replicate it on demand, but it happens eventually in ever compound clip I create. I haven't noticed it while editing a project. Any idea what is going on would help.
Thanks.

I am using 10.1.1 on OS X 10.9.3 Mavricks.
Here are two screenshots the first is how the timeline should look and the second is with the clips missing.

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