Clips look worse after render

Hello,
I have added the Color Corrector and RBG Balance filters to my clips, but once I render the timeline, the clips look worse than when they are not rendered. (I play through the time line before I render, and it looks great.) They look really grainy after rendered.
Running FCP 6.0.2
QT 7.4.1
I used the Easy Set up -> HDV-Apple ProRes 422 1080p24
Clips were shot in 24f with XH A1
Sequence settings:
Frame size: 1440x1080 16:9
Rate: 23.98
Render Codec: Apple Pro Res 422
Do I have my settings right?
I appreciate any help on this!

It depends what you are doing with the color correction. Raising the blacks/mids too high will introduce noise in itself.
Another factor is how you are monitoring, FCP always uses a lower res proxy image to better enable real-time playback. You can only really assess the quality on an external pro monitor or at the very least, an excellent TV

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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:07 PM
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