Closed Captioning project in DVD SP

I have been researching on the internet for a couple of days now. I need to author a DVD with Closed Captioning. I do not have the .cc files but original source is betacam with"CC". DVD's and MiniDV's were also made and all have "CC" I don't know where to go from here because people are saying it can't b done without the.cc or.scc files.
Please help
Jeff

Not sure what Fred is refering to, but in my experience with software encoders like BitVice and Compressor, line 21 and and the whole raster area for that matter is cropped away, leaving no closed captioning in the encoded file.
This is why you need the .scc file. The other tab in the track inspector is where this file can be joined together, with the encoded Mpeg2 file and the timecode must match up between the .scc and Mpeg2 file.
It is true that the closed caption data can be joined together with the Mpeg2 file, (prior to bring it into DVD SP) negating the need to use the other tab, but most of use here don't have the special hardware or software that allows one to do this.
I do have the software, (Mac Caption Pro) which allows me to join the closed captioning info of a .scc file, or even from the source video and join it to an existing Mpeg2 file, that has been already created.
Being that I have to do this every day, as I author new educational DVD's, I'm very familiar with the process. If you are coming from a DV source file, then the CC data is not stored in line21 of the video, (being that DV is, 720x480 and doesn't have a raster area like uncompressed video, 720x486) rather, the data is stored in the DV video file, (as meta data) a resource file in the DV video file, which, when the file is played back, that meta data is converted back into the line 21 area of the video, so that the closed captioning works correctly.
It is this meta data the my closed captioning software reads from a DV file an allows me to capture and convert to a .scc file or just join with an existing Mpeg2 file.
If I'm coming from an uncompressed video souce like 8 or 10bit, then the raster area and line 21 is present and the closed captioning must be captured in realtime by my software, (being that the raster area is not meta data) but more like a still picture that must have the line 21 part decoded and converted to data, my software does this.
Anyway, however you slice it, the captioning info must be captured first and join in some way with the Mpeg2 file, (either before or after) bring it into DVD SP.
Hope this helps those that are just getting into captioning?

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pg. 611 of the user manual
Adding Closed Captions to a DVD
With DVD Studio Pro, you can import closed caption files as part of a track. This is the
most reliable way to include closed captions with your title.
Do not assume that just because the closed-captioning information was present in the
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Possible bug with SCC / closed captions?

Hi,
I just want to post this so that anyone else that runs into the same problem I did might be helped...
Like a lot of other people, I was having trouble getting Encore to properly encode closed captions. I tried over and over with no success. I tried placing the SCC in field 1, field 2, both at the same time, etc... I tried with and without re-encoding the already compliant MPEG-2 file being used as the source. Still no luck. No matter what I did I could not get Encore DVD to properly encode my SCC file on the new DVD.
However, I did have one clue that eventually helped me figure out a workaround. Although I was not seeing the closed captions from my SCC file, I was seeing the original closed captions from the original VHS videotape my source file was captured from (I should note that even then, I wasn't seeing the original closed captions on standalone DVD players...I could only see them with PowerDVD...) So, I began to ask myself why Encore DVD was not overwriting the original line-21 captions with my new SCC file. It was as if Encore DVD was completely ignoring the new SCC file.
Well, to make a long story short, I found that I could get the new captions to work perfectly if I removed the old captions from the original MPEG-2 source file first. Apparently, Encore DVD will not overwrite existing line-21 data (a bug, I'm guessing...) even if the user properly loads the new SCC file.
For anyone who is having this problem and wants to try my solution, download ReStream and remove the user data from the existing MPEG-2 file. The new file without user data has now worked for me every time I have tried it. Actually, to be honest, I'm not really sure if this bug pops up only when existing captions are detected or if just any user data will trigger it. So, anyone who is having trouble getting SCC to work with Encore DVD and successfully uses this workaround, post back here and maybe Adobe will do something about it.
Thanks.

Ok well I tested it by going VCR->DV converter->iMovie->iDVD, and the closed captions were lost at some point. The tape does have closed captions when played in the VCR, and I know my DVD player displays closed captions properly (I tested a commercial disc both in the Mac and in a standalone DVD player and those showed captions), but the DVD I created doesn't display closed captions either in the Mac DVD Player or the standalone unit.
So...anyone think maybe importing into Final Cut Pro and burning with DVD Studio Pro would work better for this than iMovie? I imagine there would be no difference (since iDVD uses the same Compressor app as DVDSP).
So I guess I'm stuck. At this point I can't even use the DVD/VCR dub machine since it won't allow dubbing of copy-protected tapes (even though this tape will likely never see a DVD release and it's crappy VHS quality anyway and it's just for my own personal use as a backup)...any suggestions?

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So I have been trying to attach a .scc file to a dvd for the optioin of closed captioning. (for 2 dyas now) I did figure out a workflow to make it happen but all the suggested workflows online and in the book did not work for me and I have no idea why.
I have a HD sequence 1440x1080. It has some old SD video in it as well.
The only way I was able to get a DVD with closed captioning was this workflow:
Go to HD sequence and select all in timeline so it is highlighted. Command (apple) C so it is copied.
Go to File> New Sequence.
Control click on new sequence and go to settings.
under general tab make sure that it is set to 720x480 with NTSC (3:2) chosen from the drop down menu
Pixel aspect is set to NTSC CCIR 601/DV and that anamorphic IS checked
dominance : lower (even)
frame rate 29:97
QT vid settings DV/DVCPRO-NTSC
audio 48 khz 16-bit channel grouped.
click OK
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I tried Hightlighting the entire SD seauence and changing the attributes, but it effected the HD video also so it was easier to just adjust the SD shots in the SD timeline/sequence.
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clicked 4:3 aspect ratio
Start was 00:00:00 etc.
and for me drop frame was clicked. (my video was shot drop framed)
click OK
Click Graphical view (or in outline view it would be tracks and video name) Click on Green "TV" looking item (for me I wanted the first play on it)
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Click on "other" tab and then where it says file.... click on choose. Navigate to where your .scc file is and hit ok
Burn your DVD and test it in QT and on a DVD player/TV to make sure the CC optioin turns off and on.
That is how I got it to work, but it was changed to a DV format and has some pixelation.
I read where many folks run their exported QT file from FCP in HD and open it in compressor and change it's size there and make a mpeg 2..Some send the video to compressor from the timeline to make a mpeg 2... some add the .scc file in compressor.... some run their SD file through compressor and change to mpeg 2. Personally I had NO LUCK in doing anything in compressor (after running 2 days of tests) converting to a mpeg 2 in the DVD folder settings,... in using any of the program and elementary streams under the formats folder. NOTHING worked with any type of mpeg 2 AS well as adding the .scc file to the video in either compressor or in DVD studio Pro.
WHY? Why did none of that compressor workflow work? Why didn't adding the .scc file work in DVD studio pro?
Anyone have any ideas?

You have two problems.
Converting your video to SD
Getting the .scc file to play nice
1st problem
I would export your HD sequence(self contained not QT conversion).
Many recommend and have had much success using Compressor to do the down convert(frame controls all set to best).
I prefer using FC to do the down convert. I find it more consistent. This adds a step but still prefer it. I re-import the HD file I just exported into my project and then create an appropriate SD sequuence. Since your HD sequence displays 16x9 you will want to create a SD anamorphic sequence (I do 720x486 but you can do 480 too). Add the HD file to the new SD seq and then render. Export an SD file and then convert for DVD.
2nd problem
I have not had success adding the .scc file in Compressor. It should work but OE and/or other factors have never allowed me to get this to work properly.
The .scc file is presumably made from your sequence time code or possibly the QT export TC depending on how you sent it out and what you got back. The .scc should be based on the sequence TC. By default tracks in DSP are set to zero based TC which will not reference the TC associated with the original sequence TC which was used to make your .scc file. You can change this by right-clicking(control-click) on the time area in the track and you should see an option for asset-based timecode. Once you have changed this try importing the scc file.

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I use to set some text captions to hidden to ease my life on
slides that contain lots of ballons (and some over other ones) ,
when I export the flash animation, everything is fine , all is in
there (including the "hidden text") .
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there . (I'm not talking about exporting handsout where you have an
option to export as well hidden slides.)
Exept if I'm wrong, I have not founded any option to manage
the fact to export hidden caption as well (or set all hidden
caption of the demonstration to "not hidden") .
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to the translation service and now you realise that some parts are
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Hi There,
When you export the doc file as Project Caption and Closed Caption. if you change the fonts and style in Doc file and the reimported it in Captivate. It will accept those changes and you can see those changes in Captivate with the same fonts settings.
Thanks
Priyank

Error by exporting Captivate to Word: "Project Captions and Closed Captions"

Hello everybody,
I'm from Germany, working in Heidelberg and I've got a problem! I would so much appreciate if somebody would have a solution for it.
Nobody could help me yet - no Adobe support via chat, no Adobe support via phone. They said the forum is my last chance. I'm frustrated. But a solution is important for my ongoing project...
Description of the problem situation:
I've created an e-learning project in German language. This e-learning shall be translated into other languages, so I want to export a word document with the captions inside. I'm doing this way:
File > Export > Project Captions and Closed Captions, and save it as word doc.
But then, after I typed in a name for the word document, another "Save as"-window appears in the background (I discovered it by coincidence) and wants me to save a word template before the export process starts. Here's a screenshot:
I don't know the reason for this second "Save as" window, so I try to save a word template (I saved it on my desktop, because I don't know where else).
After klicking on "Save" the following error message appears:
(in English: Error by exporting of captions. Try the following things: if Microsoft Word is installed, if Word is open, if the exported file is open etc.)
It's not depending on the captivate file as such, I tried it with other ones (which have only one slide) - the same problem.
It's not depending on my computer, I tried it with another one in my office - there was the same thing, same error message (but without the step of saving a word template!).
Maybe important: My hardware and versions I'm working with...
Windows 7 Professional (Service Pack 1), 64bit
Adobe Captivate 8
Microsoft Word 2010
Does anyone has the same problem or does anyone know the answer for this problem?
I would really really appreciate your answers!! Thank you in advance!
Chris

Dear Mayank, dear Lilybiri,
thank you both soooo much, I couldn't belive what I saw as the export of captions worked!!! It was really surprising!
I guess your both solutions helped me out - Mayank's hint of the admin's rights was the necessary information! But it first worked because Lilybiri told me to insist and to try it after I restarted the PC - and to do it several times! So it worked!! Otherwise I would probably still be confused.
Thank you so much!
Here's the proof
Chris
PS: Does anyone know, why I still have to decide if I want to save the "Adobe Captivate" Template thing?
Every time I'm doing an export it asks me every time if I want to save or not save the "Adobe Captivate"-file...

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i was able to transfer video clips from a vhs tape to a dvd (vcr > camcorder > mac) in iMovie then export to iDVD and burn the disk thereafter. I need the closed captioning to be tagged along to a dvd disk. How?
Thanks

The National Captioning Institute (NCI) could also be helpful. Here's a site with info on decoders (so if the TV option didn't work, you could possibly use a process like VCR/decoder/camcorder/to Mac
http://www.ncihelpdesk.org/index.php?c=30&kat=Decoder%2FAudioLink
Here's NCI's description of captioning, "Closed captioning is the process whereby captions are converted to electronic codes and inserted in the regular television signal, specifically on Line 21, a portion of the picture normally not seen. There are 525 horizontal lines in the television picture. Line 21 appears at the top of the picture and occurs just prior to the start of the lines carrying picture information." (see www.ncicap.org)
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Is there a way to make closed captioning persist in an Aggregator project?

Hello,
I'm running Captivate 5.0. My project consists of 12 movies, all which have audio and closed captioning. (In these 12 movies, the default is to have closed captioning turned off.) I then use Aggregator so the 12 movies can be viewed consecutively from the Aggregator SWF/HTM file. When the Aggregator project starts playing, closed captioning defaults to off, which is what I want. The viewer has the option to turn on closed captioning through the playback bar. If turned on, the closed captioning displays fine until the next movie in the Aggregator project starts playing, at which time the closed captioning turns off. Is there anyway to keep closed captioning turned on? Otherwise, if the viewer needs closed captioning, they will need to turn it on 12x as they view the project...
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Think you'll need the Save and Load Data widget from Michael Lund (cpguru). Then you could use a user variable that will be set to 1 if CC is toggled on in a movie, to 0 if it is not activated. This variable has to be saved and loaded in each movie, hence the widget (not free). On entering each file, you could create a conditional advanced action that checks the value of that variable, and depending on its value will toggle the system variable cpCmndCC.
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The DVD Player normally works fine, disc after disc, unless I turn on closed captions (not subtitles, but similar), then the DVD Player will quit randomly every 1-3 discs. I have done all the permission fixes and usual cache deletions, but nothing seems to work. I have also deleted preferences and plists on both machines.
The crash log is usually cryptic, and all I can discern is that thread "one" crashed.
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Hi,
Try a different font... here's how: Customizing the look of closed captioning text
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Hi, I'm out of my league here, trying to do a favor for a deaf friend. He will appear on a national TV show, and I'd like to capture his appearance and (if possible) burn it to DVD.
Of course, being deaf, he needs to see the closed captions.
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I don't think FCP will ever have captioning tools, due to it is a specilized area of post production and third party companies have developed captioning software that addresses this area.
I use the only Mac captioning software, (Mac Caption, made by CPC) that runs on the Mac. The cost for the SD captioning version of Mac Caption retail cost $6,995 USD and the HD version is an additional $2000.00 USD. If your an educational institution, then the price is about half the list, (price can be negotiated with the company at the time of purchase.)
As you can see, this is about half the cost of the FCP suite and I really don't think that Apple will ever get into this area. Most production companies rely on captioning services. In our case, we are an educational facility and therefore must comply with ferderal law, so we caption everything we do, thus why we had to purchase our own software.
The software we use, can do what it is that you are seeking, it can read the caption data from a live video image an convert it to a .scc file, that can be then used in DVD authoring or tape production. It can also read the raster area of a 720x 486 video file and also convert the caption information to a .scc file, as well as creating subtitlilng .stl files for DVD's.
It can also do original captioning, as well as add a text track to QT streaming files, which is how you caption QT steraming files. You can even burn captions into the video image of a steaming file.
Again, most production facilities are going to have to rely on a captioning service, but because we have to caption everything, and most captioning services don't caption QT streaming files, this was another reason we had to purchase our own captioning software.

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Can this be done via DV capture?
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Anyway, being the quasi-perfectionist that I am, I'd like to make as close a copy to the original as possible, preserving the closed captions. In researching this I've found that this data is stored in "line 21" which is normally not a viewable portion of the video signal, rather like metadata. I have read that DV does support this data in the "VAUX" data area, however before I even begin, I am concerned that any step of my intended workflow might not preserve this data (reencoding in the converter box, transferring into iMovie/FCP, reencoding onto DVD). I presume that any amount of editing to the captured video will hose the captions if they are preserved, but I'd only shorten the black padding at the beginning and ending of the program if anything, which I can't imagine would scramble it too bad.
I have read many suggestions of just manually transposing the CC text to subtitles instead, however since the DVD spec does support true closed captions, I figure it's gotta be possible somehow.
I'd like to be able to do this without purchasing a PCI capture card. And I'd also like to be able to do this without spending $6000 on a certain Mac captioning app (a ridiculous price for functionality which in my opinion should be free). I've seen some pretty cheap VCR+DVD combo standalone units on the market, but I'd like to think my Mac, as expensive as it was, will suffice.
Am I asking too much? Should I just give it a try to see if everything magically works? And if my current setup is not up to this task, what sort of setup would I need to realize my goal?
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Ok well I tested it by going VCR->DV converter->iMovie->iDVD, and the closed captions were lost at some point. The tape does have closed captions when played in the VCR, and I know my DVD player displays closed captions properly (I tested a commercial disc both in the Mac and in a standalone DVD player and those showed captions), but the DVD I created doesn't display closed captions either in the Mac DVD Player or the standalone unit.
So...anyone think maybe importing into Final Cut Pro and burning with DVD Studio Pro would work better for this than iMovie? I imagine there would be no difference (since iDVD uses the same Compressor app as DVDSP).
So I guess I'm stuck. At this point I can't even use the DVD/VCR dub machine since it won't allow dubbing of copy-protected tapes (even though this tape will likely never see a DVD release and it's crappy VHS quality anyway and it's just for my own personal use as a backup)...any suggestions?

DVD Closed Captioning

Hello, quick question...
Is it possible to have a button from the menu of a DVD lead to a set of Closed Captioning (or Open Captions!) that keep them "Force Displayed"?
I believe that the captioning is a function of a decoder in the television, but i'm not 100% sure.
Can anyone help?
Thanks.

You are correct. Captioning is strictly controlled by the decoder in the tv.

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I need to know how to add closed captioning in a project in Adobe Captivate 6. It is a software demo single recording. I don't see where to go to create closed captions or change accessilbity preferences.

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First thing that you need to do is go to Project > Skin editor > and check the box for Closed Captioning button in playbar.
A slide must have a slide audio or Slide Video to add CC notes in it.
Go to Windows > Slide notes, to view the slide notes panel, and click on + sign to add Closed captioning notes.
Please check this article to add CC in project: http://helpx.adobe.com/captivate/using/slide-notes.html
Check this article for accessibility in Captivate : http://help.adobe.com/en_US/captivate/cp/using/WSc1b83f70210cd101-157ec7f211c7ef6052c-7fff .html
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We are looking to upgrade to CS5 this year. Does Premiere allow us to insert closed captioning in a project and export as a mpeg2 file? We have to send our long form programming out of house for this now.
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To the best of my knowledge, PrPro will only handle a variation of CC, and that would be with Lower-Thirds burned into the Video.
Now, Encore (the authoring program, that ships with PrPro) will do full CC, or Sub-Titles (similar, but different). One can output as an FLV Project, or as a DVD, or BD.
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