Closed lid - effects on screen life

Hi,
I recently bought a 15" retina quad-core MacBook Pro. During the working week I have it permanently hooked-up to a couple of external monitors. In this mode, I don't really need the extra screenspace of the built-in display. So potentially I could leave the cover closed all week. But I've noticed that the aluminium deck around the keyboard is frequently hot to touch (but not hot enough to burn my skin). I'm concerned that having the cover constantly closed would expose the screen to too much heat, too often, which might result in long-term damage. Am I right?
I guess another way of asking this question, is which option will result in shorter screen life, having the retina display switched on for 10+ hours a day, or having it closed and exposed to heat of the deck for a similar amount of time?
Thanks.
SR

I see, thanks for checking.
And are there any viable solutions for turning off the MBP screen?
(i.e.,
magnet hack
the command-line revert-to-pre-Lion configuration hack
a clamshell-then-open-after hack
InsomniaX hack
Opening and closing the lid isn't ideal every single time and I prefer the air flow with an open lid.
I really don't understand why Apply doesn't give you ability to just turn it off, I mean really is it that difficult or do they just want to be different?

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Once this is done, it is safe to reinstall the operating system. Performing an HP System Recovery (Windows 8)
If the same situation occurs, the computer likely has faulty hardware. At that point, please contact HP phone support. You can utilize this website to learn how to contact HP appropriately, based on your region: Contact HP Worldwide
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