CMYK Profiles Not Options On Output?

Short : CMYK profiles are not showing up as export options. Why?
Long:
I have recived a profile from the Printers [12 hours before the files have to be in ] and it's not showing up in Aperture. In fact no CMYK profiles show up in the export options. It does let me proof the colors so I know that the profile is installed, but doesn't allow me to export. Please tell me I don't have to re-process them all in Capture One [I guess I could batch them in photoshop.]
Thanks for any advice.
-J

There was a similar complaint in the Lightroom forums. One response seemed to sum up the situation which many others supported in a number of threads. Here's that one post (it was not from me) -
" Don't see much value in putting such capability into Lightroom. Nobody but prepress people want files in CMYK. And photos should not be converted to CMYK until they're ready to go to the printer, or maybe even let the printer do the conversion.
Lightroom is about what happens to photos before they go CMYK. It's such a restrictive color space that no one should be storing photos that aren't already converted for the specific purpose of printing. They should remain PhotoProRGB or Adobe RGB. Even sRGB should be reserved for exported jpegs.
The best solution is to create a folder action Applescript and when you drop files into the folder they are automatically converted to CMYK."

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