CO-PA Realignment: Changes in Product Hierarchy

Hello all,
We have changed the product hierarchy on some of our materials and we want to realign the PA data to reflect the same.
Our product hierarchy which we have three levels is maintained in KES1. There are no derivation rules. KES1 is updated manually everytime any changes occur.
For example:
OLD
Product: 1-189-01
Hierarchy 1: 100
Hierarchy 2:A7300
Hierarchy3: B56220
So on the material master the prod hierarchy is 100A7300B56220
NEW
Product: 1-189-01
Hierarchy 1: 125
Hierarchy 2:A7500
Hierarchy3: B56120
I tried using KEND for realignment and this does not change anything. Any help, how to proceed with the realignment is appreciated.

Hi Anusha,
Did u also update PH level in KES3 - in specific hierarchy variant ? Also would like to know how did u reset the operating concern
Thanks,
Samik (SAP MM)

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we got a requirement to change the product hierarchy level from 3 to 5.can any body guide us for this.
thanks in advance,
karna

hi,
in std sap u can have only three levels,but u can go upto 6 levels.
follow this steps
1.append the std prod hierarchy structure with adition of zzprod4 and zzprod5
2.new data element can be created 0r use prodh field data element and attach it to new fields as per above.
3.in customiising v/76 y should reorganise 18 chars amongst 5 levels.
by doing this in material master u can see in drop down list with 5 levels.
hope it helps.
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We are wanting to use the Product Hiearchy but are wanting to redefine the levels. We want 4 levels, 3-6-6-3. I've done some research and find that we are able to change the SAP standard of 3 levels to the 4 levels that we want. I've also found general documentation on how to do that. When I create my new Domains (ex: zprodh4 char3) and then try to change the main structure of PRODHS I get a pop up asking for an Access Key. So, I'm either doing something wrong or changing the product hierarchy levels does not survive an upgrade? Can anyone answer this for me. If you think I'm doing something wrong can you please give me detailed instructions on how to assign the new domains to the existing structure.
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I have the access key and am modifying data element PRODH1. I changed the domain to read ZPRODH1 which is my defined domain. I saved it.
1. When I go to activate it I get a list of dependent structures and tables that are to be adjusted. Of course this makes me nervous but I'm assuming this is normal.
2. When I start to modify my next data element PRODH3, I am prompted for the access key. I enter the same access key as I did for PRODH1 and there's an error telling me the access key is incorrect. Do you have to have an access key for each element and then the structure that you are modifying?
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Product description is missing in CRM after change of material hierarchy

hello everybody
We have R/3 4.6c and CRM 4.0
We change material hierarchy in R/3, a Bdoc is created and the product hierarchy is changed but the product description is empty after the change.
any ideas what might be the problem?
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Hi Nikos,
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Hi,
We have a CRM 4.0 ISA for e-commerce scenario. The Production environment is LIVE now and we have a Product Hierarchy (with more than 2400 categories in multiple levels). The Settypes assigned have both SAP standard as well as custom settypes. The catalog for webshop has been created with Automatic Assignment with categories transferred from the current Product Hierarchy.
There has been a radical change in the business alignment because of which the categories are changing and the hierarchy is going to change completely.
I need a solution where without shutting down the production (or with minimal week end shutdown), where we can create the new hierarchy and transfer the existing products to the new hierarchy. The problem that i am facing is that the SAP standard and Custom settypes that are currently assigned to the existing hierarchy does not allow me to assign to the new hierarchy that i am trying to create in the system in parallel. I would be good if i can some how create the new hierarchy and keep it ready before we can shut off the existing hierarchy.
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Also is it possible to bring the hierarchy and the assigned products from DEV / QA system to PROD?
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Hi
As previously said, the changed product hierarchy value will beocme applicable only for the new documents you are going to create. For the old documents, the older PH levels exists, it wont get automatically change.
Also, the infostructures also will hold the old values for the old transactions.
So it will be better to archive /delete the data so far in those structures and hten enable it for hte new PH values. Else, you cannot arrive at a conclusion based on PH levels, as the same level will imply different things at different points of time.
Hope this helps.
Reward if this helps.

Different product hierarchy in sales order and in service order

Dear experts,
In VA03, I notice that
- under Line Item > Sales B, there is a field Product Hierarchy
- under Line Item > Account assignment, there is a field Order. From here, it links to a service order. In the service order, I can see a field Product Hierarchy too.
I would like to know if there is an implication when the field Product Hierarchy in sales order and in service order are different. Is it possible that this will cause an inconsistency?
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Hi,
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Sales Area1A+Pricing procedure A
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CO-PA: product hierarchy predefined from best practice

Hi guys,
unfortunately I have as basis a best practice system, where product hierarchy with 3 levels is already defined in CO-PA:
PAPH1     ProdHier01-1     ProdH01-1     CHAR     5     MVKE     PAPH1
PAPH2     ProdHier01-2     ProdH01-2     CHAR     10     MVKE     PAPH2
PAPH3     ProdHier01-3     ProdH01-3     CHAR     18     MVKE     PAPH3
PRODH     Prod.hierarchy     Prod.hier.     CHAR     18     MVKE     PRODH
Those ones are already assigned to a best practice operating concern:
10UK     Best Practices
1. we have 7 levels in our product hierarchy
2. I need to read it from mara and not mvke
When trying to ad product hierarchy as characteristic in KEA5 in our new operating concern, I gut the message below.
This data element is used in tons of tables and the whole precdure looks risky + after transport I might have issues again?
Creating ww* characteristics for product hierarchy is not an option, since then I would need to maintain the whole product hiearchy as characteristc values again (like before release 4.5) and this is far more than 1000 entries and is double maintenance after go live.
Deleting the best practice operating concern is also difficult, since there are several clients where customizing still sits for 10UK.
Anybody experience? What did you do?
regards
Bjoern
Here is the text from KEA5 when trying to ad mara fields (since date elment lenghts is different due to more levels):
Product hierarchy field PAPH1 cannot be adapted to the new structure
Message no. KE691
Diagnosis
The definition of the product hierarchy has changed (structure PRODHS). The hierarchy field generated in CO-PA, PAPH1 cannot be adapted to the new definition, because it is already being used in structures or tables.
System Response
The field PAPH1 does not appear in the list of fields that can be selected.
It can no longer be used as a characteristic.
Procedure
If you still want to define hierarchy field PAPH1 as a characteristic, proceed as follows:
1. Display the where-used list for data element RKEG_PAPH1 in database fields using transaction SE12. For hierarchy field PAPH1 to be adapted, a data conversion must be carried out for all the tables listed!
2. First change the number of characters in the domain RKEG_PAPH1 to match the new definition of the product hierarchy, following the example below. You can do this using transaction SE11.
Structure PRODHS     Domain
Field    Length      name       Number of characters
PRODH1     3         RKEG_PAPH1      3
PRODH2     2         RKEG_PAPH2      5
PRODH3     5         RKEG_PAPH3     10
PRODH4     8         RKEG_PAPH4     18

Just as Info,
I needed to go for deletion of those characteristics - quite some work, like:
1. delete all where-used entries for the characteristics in ALL CLIENTS of this system (important: e.g. planning layout - recommended to change and not simply delete, because the change can be transported)
2. when then trying to delete characteristics (with "unlock" in KEA0 > value fields) - tons of tables and strucutres popped up, where this data element is still needed - follow note 353257
3. generate best practice operating concern new (10UK in our case)
4. create PAPH1 etc. new from table MARA (not mvke in our case - depends)
all good - hopefully no issues after transport - we will see.

R/3 Product Hierarchy in BW data model.

Hi all,
We have been told by our implementation partner that the scenario described below is not feasible to design in our BW 3.5 system and if we were to implement this scenario there would be a significant amount of user maintenance to maintain the hierarchy structure in BW.
I was a query user in previous BW versions and my datawarehouse modeling experience is mostly in Cognos and Business Objects. The scenario described below is very easily implemented in these other datawarehouse software packages and I would be suprised if SAP does not have a standard solution to address the problem.
I would like to understand if:
(1) Yes this solution can be easily implemented in BW 3.5
(2) A brief explanation on the design approach, implementation, and considerations
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Scenario:
In R/3 we have modified the standard delivered product hierarchy structure for material master from 5,5,8 to be 5,5,4,4.
The 4 levels represent: BRAND --> PRODUCT LINE --> PRODUCT CATEGORY --> PRODUCT SUBCATEGORY
Our intent is to use this structure to satisfy current BW reporting requirements for COPA and R/3 Billing infocubes.
In BEx Explorer we would like to perform product analysis using the following dimension paths:
BRAND --> PRODUCT LINE --> PRODUCT CATEGORY --> PRODUCT SUBCATEGORY
PRODUCT LINE --> PRODUCT CATEGORY --> PRODUCT SUBCATEGORY
PRODUCT CATEGORY --> PRODUCT SUBCATEGORY
We are told that since we have multiple values at the BRAND node we will not be able to perform grouped reporting the starts at PRODUCT LINE node(which would be independent of the BRAND node). For example:
BRAND, PRODUCT LINE, PRODUCT CATEGORY
HONDA, AUTOMOBILE, CIVIC
HONDA, AUTOMOBILE, ACCURA
HONDA, BLOWER, CIVIC
HONDA, MOTORCYCLE, ODESSY
FORD, AUTOMOBILE, EXPLORER
FORD, BLOWER, EXPLORER
FORD, MOTORCYCLE, CHAMPION
So for example we would like to start our dimensional anaylsis to show all AUTOMOBILE or BLOWER sales independent of the fact they were for HONDA or FORD.
In other datawarehouse systems I have either: (1) created 3 dimensions called: BRAND, PRODUCT LINE, and PRODUCT CATEGORY or (2) created one dimension called BRAND with alternate dimension paths for PRODUCT LINE and PRODUCT CATEGORY. I am not sure if this is feasible in BW.
We were also told in order to achieve this design a structure would have to be maintained in BW every time we introduce a new material master and the material master would need to be manually entered into the structure so that reporting can be achieved for both the standard structure and the alternate structure(s).

Antony ,
there will be maintenance involved every time you add a material to the material master. However you could maintain the hierarchy through a GUI also depending on the number of values.
Ideally if this can be maintained in a table in the source system , it can be imported into BW. Otherwise if you were to maintain it in BW , you will have a lot of problems when :
1. Change in the hierarchy - A new Product Line coming in and many product category onwards change over to the new product line.
2. Viewing the changed hierarchy over time - If you have GM and a separate category called Daewoo , earlier they were separate and now they are one - what are my product sales due to the merged entity vis-a-vis separate entities earlier...
Things that you will need to consider from a design stand popint are :
1. Should the hierarchy be time dependent ?
2. Should it be maintained in the source system or in BW?
3. Change process for the same - Flat file / Manual
4. Estimate of how frequent the hierarchy would change?
5. Will you have display hierarchies - Ad-Hoc hierarchies to view certain combinations?
Depending on the above your hierarchy creation can go from easy to complex and hard to maintain.
One way to amintain it is to have a SAP ABAP program to populate a hierarchy table to have the relations in R/3 and transfer them into BW. You could automate it in such a way that the hierarchy is changed every time there is a new material
Otherwise , there can be a flat file to create the relationships
Or someone could log a request and if the change is minimal it couldbe done thru a GUI Interface provided by BW.
Arun
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Change the product categories in Campaign planning

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Hi friends
Is there a way to achieve this? What can be the approach to solve the requirement?
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Update Product Hierarchy

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Hallo Wachira
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> I don't know if the Date From and Date To shoud be
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> If I use the same range, data will be overwritten,
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and this blog
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/3113. [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken]
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Invoiced Quantity grouped by Product Hierarchy

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I am trying to create an Evaluation (tCode MC11) which will report on Invoiced Quantity grouped by Product Hierarchy. I created an evaluation referencing an evaluation structure which references two other eval. structures: one - for data tables VBRP and the second for info. struct.S004. One of the characteristics is Product Hierarchy. The problem is, that when I execute the evaluation - I only get 4th level of product hierarchy, but I need to see all four, starting with the first one.
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     level 2
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Olga

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there will be maintenance involved every time you add a material to the material master. However you could maintain the hierarchy through a GUI also depending on the number of values.
Ideally if this can be maintained in a table in the source system , it can be imported into BW. Otherwise if you were to maintain it in BW , you will have a lot of problems when :
1. Change in the hierarchy - A new Product Line coming in and many product category onwards change over to the new product line.
2. Viewing the changed hierarchy over time - If you have GM and a separate category called Daewoo , earlier they were separate and now they are one - what are my product sales due to the merged entity vis-a-vis separate entities earlier...
Things that you will need to consider from a design stand popint are :
1. Should the hierarchy be time dependent ?
2. Should it be maintained in the source system or in BW?
3. Change process for the same - Flat file / Manual
4. Estimate of how frequent the hierarchy would change?
5. Will you have display hierarchies - Ad-Hoc hierarchies to view certain combinations?
Depending on the above your hierarchy creation can go from easy to complex and hard to maintain.
One way to amintain it is to have a SAP ABAP program to populate a hierarchy table to have the relations in R/3 and transfer them into BW. You could automate it in such a way that the hierarchy is changed every time there is a new material
Otherwise , there can be a flat file to create the relationships
Or someone could log a request and if the change is minimal it couldbe done thru a GUI Interface provided by BW.
Arun
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Product Hierarchy and COPA

Can any one tell me what is a prodcut heirarchy and how it is related to Controlling ( specially with COPA and Product costing). If the product heirarchy is changed, what are the things need to be adjusted in configuration for COPA and Product costing. I would appreciate step by step and trxn codes in your explanation.
Thanks
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hi,
Product Cost Controlling (CO-PC)
The structure used for interactive analysis of product costs for each level of the hierarchy. The product hierarchy consists of:
Plant*
Product group*
Product*
Order*
http://help.sap.com/search/highlightContent.jsp
please go through the link
Rewards welcome
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We have defined and maintained product hierarchy as 4 levels with each level as 2 CHAR. This was done by appending the structure. Now in COPA,, how do we get this? Bcoz in COPA the characteristics are different. What changes needs to be done by COPA to pull this?
rgds..Ameet

hi
you can define the characterstics which is similar to the appended structure.
in SPRO - while defining the OPERATING CONCERN.
hope this clears your issue.
balajia

Product hierarchy is showing 'Not assigned Materials' in Bex Report

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I have loaded product hierarchy to 0material from 0PROD_HIER_LPRH_HIER successfully. In Bex report if i use product hierarchy nothing showing to me and it is showing message in one row like 'Not assigned Materials.
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Product Hierarchy Derivation in COPA

Hi Gurus,
We have 6 levels of Product hierarchy defined in the system and I am able to include it in the data structure. The related Characteristics are PAPH1,PAPH2,PAPH3,PAPH4,PAPH5,PAPH6 included in my operating concern. Level 1 has 1 character in number and rest of the levels has 3 characters each in number as follows.
Level 1--1 Number of Character
Level 2--3 Number of Characters
Level 3--3 Number of Characters
Level 4--3 Number of Characters
Level 5--3 Number of Characters
Level 6--3 Number of Characters
Hence all together the total number/length is 16.
Now, when I generated the operating concern,the derivation rules for product hierarchy are created automatically as follows.
Following is the screen shot for source field if I open step number 22
The corresponding screen shot for Target field is as follows
For step 23 , the source field details are same as step 22 but target field details are as follows
We have assigned Product hierarchy in Material master in tab Sales:Sales Org 2 which is 16 digits.
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=================================================================================
Characteristic value 010 does not exist for characteristic PAPH2 (ProdHier01-2)
Message no. KE0C133
Diagnosis
The characteristic "PAPH2" ("ProdHier01-2") should be posted to Profitability Analysis (CO-PA). When the system checked the entries, it was established that the transferred characteristic value (" 010") is not valid in CO-PA.
System Response
The data is not consistent and therefore cannot be transferred to CO-PA.
Procedure
With the function Maintain Characteristic Values, you can add characteristic values to those that are valid.
==================================================================================
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I have not included characteristic PRODH in my data structure. Do I require to include it in my Operating concern?
Regards,
makrand

Dear Ajay,
Hearty Thanks for the solution. As suggested by you, I removed "move" steps and defined the Table Lookup" steps.
There are two target entries i.e MVKE (Origin) table and the field name is PRODH (Product Hierarchy) which is equivalent to second target entry COPA (Origin) field (PAPH1 -----to PAPH6) in the same line.
In field PRODH,I used offset position. I selected "Entire Field Contents" and kept character position as 0 and kept total characters as 16 in each table lookup entry.
Again I have to make offset settings in PAPH1---PAPH6 fields. I selected "Entire Field Contents" tab and system automatically changed the field length for PAPH1 to PAPH6. Now the results are correct.
I arrived at solution after making some combinations in offset. Thought, this may be useful for somebody facing the similar issue.
What's the use of "Clear" steps which are generated by system?
Thanks and regards,
makrand

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