Collective order compoent HALB

Dear gurus,
is possible run good issue (101) for the component HALB whit type procurement = E and special procurement = 52 ?
I created a collective order :
FERT ORDER 100001
HALB 1000002
We need have the structures whit the example but the good recepet for the component HALB , as the standard order , is possible whit the type order (Network order - collective order )?
Thansk a lot
I find the flag in the customizing for type production order but this flag don't create a good moviment for 101 of component HALB?
Daniele Pistilli

Dear gurus,
for the component HALB the system when create a subnetwork view the stock quantity?
Example:
Stock oh component HALB = 100000000
Requirement of Halb is 100 pz
Because the system create a production order subnetwork also if the stock is 100000000 ?
Is possible don't create a subnetwork order when the requirement is covered to stock ?
Thanks a lot
Daniele Pistilli
PP TEAM

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result is:    material "a",   plan order : 100 pcs.
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Now the Reply for the Application of Collective Order
Normally we have a Header Item Fert and Child items Halbs
For Example If a BOM for a Fert contains 5 Halb materials and below some ROH
Here what happens in discrete scenario 6 production orders can be created 1 for Fert and 5 for Halb
so as a usual practive we have Release the Halb orders, GI for ROH , Confirmation of Halbs,GR for Halbs,.... then
similar thing for Fert
Now as the Halb is inhouse item and manufacturing parellely, the process of Relasing ,confirming ,GR are difficult process, you want to control through the Header Material
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2) If i confirm the Fert Material the the Bom Assy components (inhouse) below with collective order setting has to Confired Automatically
3) The GR has to takes place automatically for Halb items(without any document) you can't see the stock of halb also it will always show "0"
4) For the ROH below Halb a reservation will be generated those you can control manually or through Backflush
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We are using Cable solutions ver: 4.6c. When the quantity of the leading order is changed (co02), the sub-order quntities are not changing accordingly. Let me explain you in detail.
Following are the settings in Material Master.
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Order 0001 for the FERT material and the order 0002 for the HALB material.
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Collective Orders
Use
In a collective order, planned orders or production orders are linked to one another over several production levels. Each order in the collective order has its own order number. If subassemblies are produced directly for superior orders within a production process, without physically entering the warehouse, it is useful to have a representation via collective orders.
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Prerequisites
A collective order cannot be created for components that have one of the following indicators set:
· Co-product
· By-product
· Alternative item with strategy 2
· Alternative item with usage probability 0
· Discontinued
· Follow-up material
· Intra material
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· Integrated view of a production process
Collective orders make it possible to represent different levels of the production process together in the system. The production process can be viewed as an integrated whole.
· Separate order number for every order
Every level in a collective order represents a separate production order/planned order. Every production order/planned order has its own order number. This enables you to process the entire collective order, a subtree in the collective order or an individual order.
· No placements in storage or removals from storage between production levels
Within a collective order stock movements only take place for the leading order (that is, the order that is at the highest production level) and not for directly produced components. This makes it easier to maintain the collective order in comparison with several individual orders. A further advantage is a more realistic representation of the costs of the production process, since subordinate orders can be directly assigned and settled to superior orders.
· Business functions simultaneously for several orders
Certain business transactions can be carried out simultaneously for several orders. Releasing an order that belongs to a collective order has the effect that all the hierarchically subordinate orders are released simultaneously.
· Automatic change to dependent orders
Changes to an order automatically affect dependent orders / components affecting orders. For example, if you change the order quantity in an order then
¡ the relevant quantity changes are automatically made to dependent orders
¡ the requirements quantity of the directly produced component is automatically changed.
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· Set status in leading order
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u2013 GMCO Goods movements in collective order
u2013 RLNE Release taken place in network
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· Reading master data
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You set the special procurement type to direct production in the material master record for the pressure regulating valve and the spiral casing, so that production occurs using a collective order.
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Use
Collective orders are only created if the special procurement type is set to direct production in the components for which the separate production orders are to be created (materials planning area in the material master).
In the standard system, 52 is the special procurement type for direct production (that is, for components that are produced within a collective order).
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