Color 1.0.4 FCP= Corrupt timeline??

Ever since the Color 1.0.4 / 2008-005 update, I'm finding that every time I export my sequence back to Final Cut Pro from Color, The video clips are completely distorted beyond all recognition in the newly created color timeline. All that you can see is a blur or color stripes that once made up the video image. This was happening to every single clip on the timeline.
The wireframe borders seem to go on forever in the north & south direction. I attempted to try to grab the frames to resize them back to normal. But after a few minutes of dragging on my first clip, I never made it to the top of the image....
The workaround I figured out is that I have to reveal all the color-rendered files from finder, import into my FCP file browser, and then from there drag them into the timeline again. They now will appear fine. I tried this when looking at the source clips in QuickTIme displayed properly. So i think the problem lies within the XML tradeoff??
Needless to say this really stinks. I tried to download the previous Pro Apps update to revert back to 2008-004. But that direct link off apple's downloads page for FCP shoots you right to the newest update with no archive to be found. The "old" 004 update is nowhere else on the www either.
It would be nice if we could get to archive versions of these updates. Since I haven't seen any other posts on the subject, it leads me to doubt that the update is the cause. But its the last thing I did before working on this project. So It would be great to be able to test it out.
It was time to clock out before I could do any more hunting around.
Just thought I'd throw this out there to see if I'm not the only one. And maybe there's a fix i just couldn't find in the forums.... I did look. Thanks!
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ScarCrow28 wrote:
Looks as though there is something strange going on with that specific project. haven't quite > figured it out yet. But I think I can rule out the update as the cause.
This is about the smartest thing that has been said here in a while. It's all too common for an user to blame the hardware, blame the software, blame the manufacturer.
I just had a project in DVD SP go belly up the other day. I simply can't figure it out either as the media is still fine. The closest thing I can figure out is it had a problem with an asset file name and what's weirder is that that file name had been totally cool with DVD SP for over 2 weeks. No updates were done on my computer, zilcho, no nothing. But what was also strange is that in those two weeks of no updates or installations, Font Book had found a duplicate font.
Here's another tool for your troubleshooting tool kit, boys and girls; duplicate fonts can bring your machine to a grinding halt. Font Book does a great job of finding this naughty items and punishing them. Open up Font Book, peruse the user guide with a cuppa joe.
At any rate, I'm amazed all the computer mojo works as well as it does. I had a timeline navigation bug in Color 1.0.2 that I couldn't fix for anything. Nothing was said about it on any other board although Mr. Owens could duplicate the same problems. Color 1.0.3 fixed those right up for me and it's been the most stable version of Color that I've experienced.
Sometimes a project goes corrupt for who knows why.

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