Color and Printing from LR

I'm a commercial photographer and spend much of my time photographing fine art for galleries and their publications. Color matching, therefore, is a critical part of my business.
I have calibrated my camera with a greytag colorchecker; I calibrate my monitor at least every week with a spyder. At each shoot, I capture the image with the greytag grid in frame. I shoot RAW .CR2. My workflow is to import using the camera calibration presets I developed for similar lighting conditions. I adjust whitebalance using the grey tone scale on the greytag grid in the shot. I adjust exposure and tone curve as necessary in LR, apply clarity, crop etc. Then I edit in CS3 for the final adjustments. I edit in RGB with a working profile that emulates the final CMYK/ICC profile of the 4-color press printer we use. I save the file and return to LR.
Th gallery wants proof prints from me. Here's the problem:
I print on a 9800 Epson wide format using semiweight matte paper. I print to a color burst RIP. I switch off color management in LR leaving that for the RIP. In the RIP, I print using the correct ICC for the paper. Prints are OK BUT there is a distinct over emphasis on the red/orange color range. This is a problem, since many of the images are of southwestern themes with redish hues.
If I take the same saved TIFF files, and print them from CS3 via the RIP using the same settings throughout, the output is excellent and mimics my moniot exactly without the color cast.
LR's work flow is ideal and convenient, but this printing feature is a major problem. Anyone have any suggestions?
Many thanks,
Andrew

Lightroom is sending the file to your RIP with the ProPhoto colour profile hence the colour shift.
LR is great at printing when you let
i it
handle to media profile. Most printer drivers and RIP software cannot handle ProPhoto so you if you must use the RIP, you're best exporting a version for proofing and print straight from Photoshop.

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Also, it would be helpful if anyone having definitive information about this topic could please email me directly in addition to replying to this forum topic, in order that I might know a response is available sooner (I am new to this forum, and may not check it regularly). My direct email address is [email protected].
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