Color change when opening in Reader

Hi, I created a PDF in Photoshop. I then added an editable field in Acrobat, using the same RGBs. When I open the file in Reader, the color of the editable field does not match. Any suggestions on what I can do to resolve this? I have the most recent version of Acrobat and Reader.
Thanks,
Jackie

Here is a screen shot of the reader PDF, followed by the original file in Acrobat. You can see that the entire document color changed when I opened it in Reader.
THanks,
Jackie

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Non colormanaged applications (like windows explorer) shows your images right, managed apps like LR and Bridge, which have different cache folders, shows them desaturated, even the previewed NEF.
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Message was edited by: ablichter
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