Color conversion to PDF issues

Hello, I am attempting to convert my document to PDF format. My company has STRICT rules on the colour of the logo. I saw in another post about RGB to CMYK settings and I have tried everything from setting them in Framemaker as CMYK, then changing the PDF Document Properties setting to leave colors unchanged, not to conver to RGB or CMYK, Using Postscript and Distilling, to no avail, the colour always comes out incorrect. Any suggestions? Thank You!
Frame 7.1
Acrobat 8
Lisa

Lisa,
The solution suggested by VAN may work perfectly for you in regard to on-line viewing, but will most likely not work in print.
The solution suggested by Sheila is more general and will also enable proper conversion for prepress PDF's. To do it you'll need to create a custom color map, that remap the RGB-color from Heading1 to the CMYK (or SPOT) color from the logo art.
To create a custom color map in Grafikhuset Publi PDF you simply right-click the Publi PDF icon in the system tray, select the Attended Queue you want to use, and then turn on automatic creation of color maps in the Optimizer section of the pop-up menu. This will prompt you with an interface that allow you to create new spot colors -- next time you print to the queue.
Clicking the "Convert to" field for each listed Gray, RGB, CMYK or other spot color allow you to remap colors exactly as your job require. When finished you can save the color map for later use. You may actually attach it to the queue, so you don't need to enter new information each time you print (If you attach it to the queue you should switch off the automatic color map creation, since its OFF state assure that the analysis phase is skipped and conversion is run directly without prompting).
Note: due to a font-error with input fields in the color map editor you must have XP themes enabled, i.e. the classic Windows 2000 interface still works, but will display text and numbers as WingDings (fixed with a patch coming soon).
Hope this helps.
Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Schäffer | Chief Developer
Grafikhuset
Paradis Allé 22, Ramløse
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Phone: +45 4439 4400
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.grafikhuset.net

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