Color Definitions List - No Scroll

I have a large color definitions list that matches my standard swatches in Illustrator.
I want to go in and thin out some old/obsolete swatches (color definitions).
I've recently upgraded to FrameMaker 11. I cannot scroll in the Color Definitions Name field. I use the drop down arrow to dig into the list, but the list itself won't scroll. Hovering on the scroll arrow does nothing. Clicking it just selects that color at the bottom of the list.
Ideas? Is there any other way to scroll through the list or see the list?
I'm in FrameMaker 11.0.1
View > Color > Definitions...

As Van says, it's a very poor implementation of th scroll list. I just created an Indexed PNG to get a large list of values for the colours to test this out.
You have to click&hold on the arrow at the lower left and then drag the pointer down *outside* of the list window to start to scroll. On a fast machine, it just jumps to the end. If you let go, the list disappears. When you're past the first screen of the list, there's also an up arrow at the top that behaves in a similar way.
The FM UI designer must have been having a very bad day...

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FM's new version of conditional text creates a unique colour for *each unique* overlap condition, so, yes this really is where your "fm_gen" colours are coming from.
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+++++++++++++++++++++
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