Color desaturation in final burn.

Just so everyone knows I did in fact read the other thread about this topic ( http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1569304&#1569304 ), but there didn't seem to be any valuable info on how to resolve this problem (short of spending $800 on a video proc amp to adjust black levels that aren't a problem for me anyway).
My problem is that I have a properly calibrated studio monitor that I use with FCP to color correct (calibrated with color bars from FCP), so I fail to understand why if I use my computer's LCD as well as an external CRT monitor to compare and contrast color balance and I export a full res QuickTime to make sure I'm not losing anything in the export while also seeing the material look great in the viewer window of DVD SP, why the final result looks to far off?
I too upgraded to DVD Studio Pro 4 recently with a clean install (my computer's drive crashed so, I re-installed the whole Studio package clean). I don't recall ever having this issue with SP 3 before. Is there something I need to calibrate in my system? Is it really just a matter of a lousy A/D conversion?

You may want to take a look again at the second page of the article, it sounds like that maybe what is happening with you MiniDV Setup (putting out IRE 0 ) so it looks darker than what is actually going on
http://www.signvideo.com/dv-black-level-dvd-7.5-ire-0-ntsc-part-2.htm
If I can't use a professional monitor to do color correction, how does anyone get the results they want?
Many get cards (like the Aurora's) in towers which do conversion to 7.5 IRE for color correction. Are you you using FCP's scopes to see what is going on? Actually pretty easy to start getting into the ballpark with just setting Contrast in Waveform and RGB Parade. Check to see where your Blacks and Whites are, and use 3 Way Color Corrector (you can see if not enough blacks or whites blown out) and that often helps alot in making things appear less washed out.
There is a book by Alexis Van Hurkman, Advanced Color Correction and Effects in Final Cut Pro 5 that I really liked. A couple of small sections alone makes it worthwhile even if you do not read any other part of the book. (At least it worked for me that way) In about an hour the descriptions on set up and contrast adjustments went a real long way. Not that I recommend doing it this way, but it was so clear that I can just look at scopes on a Powerbook now and start getting the results "in the ballpark".
Also remember each TV will make things look different, took me a long time to accept it

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