Color discrepancies between iPhoto and Elements...

Okay, enough ******** about iPhoto ’08. I actually like it, but I have had no problems, so far. Anyway, there is something a little quirky I have been noticing: I do like the new editor in iPhoto, but I still jump between iPhoto and Elements. I have noticed that my on-screen images are generally a little lighter and with much better skin tones while viewing them in Elements. In iPhoto they are a little darker and skin tones are more red. What am I missing? Is there a setting (Color Settings in PSE, Color Sync) I should be paying attention to? It would seem to me that the image should look identical regardless of which editor I am viewing the image in.
Thanks for your thoughts…

Old Toad wrote:
TheGuyintheProj...:
Try deleting the iPhoto preference file, com.apple.iPhoto.plist, that resides in your User/Library/Preferences folder. If you're still at 10.4.9 update to 10.4.10 via the COMBO updater. Also make sure you're at the latest Quicktime version.
Next, log into another account, create a library if there is none, import a couple of photos that are showing bad in your primary account and compare. If those photos appear correct there may be some conflicting preference files in your primary account. Here's how you can weed them out if that's the case:
Trouble Shooting Preferences
Go to HD/Users/Your_name/Library. Move the Preferences folder (in its entirety) to the Desktop and make a second copy of it so you have Copy A and B. Now try the the process again and determine if problem is fixed.
If the problem IS fixed, then go to the new Prefs folder that the OS will have created and open it up.
Open Copy B on the Desktop and select all of the items inside. Drag them into the open new library folder. When the Copy window comes up check the Apply to All check box and then click on the Don't Replace button as seen here. That will keep the new files created and bring back all of the others.
If the problem is NOT fixed, trash the new Prefs folder and move the intact Copy A folder back to the Library folder .
Lastly, rebuild the library as follows: launch iPhoto with the Command+Option keys depressed and follow the instructions to rebuild the library. Select the first three options.
OT
Old Toad,
Thank you for the advice. I have done everything you have suggested, except for the updating to 10.4.10. That is not an option. It trashed 5 of my machines and I am just now getting my main machine usable again. Thank God for backups.
I have taken the worst pictures and viewed them in every photo viewing application that I have including the Finder/Finder Window in column mode, iPhoto 6 and 4, and they are as they should be. This is clearly an iPhoto 7.x issue.
Thanks again!

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*For Users of 10.5 and later*
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(Note the above illustration is not a Finder Window. It's the dialogue you get when you go File -> Open)
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*For users of 10.4 and later* ...
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3. *Show File*: Right- (or Control-) Click on a pic and in the resulting dialogue choose 'Show File'. A Finder window will pop open with the file already selected.
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You can set Photoshop (or any image editor) as an external editor in iPhoto. (Preferences -> General -> Edit Photo: Choose from the Drop Down Menu.) This way, when you double click a pic to edit in iPhoto it will open automatically in Photoshop or your Image Editor, and when you save it it's sent back to iPhoto automatically. This is the only way that edits made in another application will be displayed in iPhoto.
Note that iPhoto sends a copy+ of the file to Photoshop, so when you save be sure to use the Save command, not Save As... If you use Save As then you're creating a new file and iPhoto has no way of knowing about this new file. iPhoto is preserving your original anyway.
Finally +On Running a Referenced Library:+
*How to do it:*
Simply go to iPhoto Menu -> Preferences -> Advanced and uncheck 'Copy Files to the iPhoto Library on Import'.
*What Happens:*
Now iPhoto will not copy the files, but rather simply reference them on your HD. To do this it will create an alias in the Originals Folder that points to your file. It will still create a thumbnail and, if you modify the pics, a Modified version within the iPhoto Library Folder.
*Some things to consider:*
1. Importing and deleting pics are more complex procedures. You have to to put the files where they will be stored before importing them. When you delete them you'll need to remove the files from the HD yourself.
2. You cannot move or rename the files on your system or iPhoto will lose track of them on systems prior to 10.5 and iPhoto 08. Even with the later versions issues can still arise if you move the referenced files to new volumes or between volumes.
3. Most importantly, migrating to a new disk or computer can be much more complex.
4. Because iPhoto has no tools for managing Referenced Files, if, for some reason, the path to the photos changes then you could find yourself resolving aliases for +each photo in the Library+ one by one.
My own opinion:
I've yet to see a good reason to run iPhoto in referenced mode unless you're using two photo organiser
I know there's lot there, so by all means post back if you need more
Regards
TD

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I hope this helps.
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*I have uploaded a testimage so that others can check if this shift occurs at their workstations too - after all, it might be a misconfiguration of my color management software, though I doubt that (because Adobe already states that library and develop render different previews). I would be interested if the color shift I describe is noticable at other workstations too. The link to the testimage: http://www.danyx.com/colorshift.jpg (permission to use the image to test the color reproduction is of course granted hereby).
Thanks for your help, I hope Adobe will listen soon,
Daniel

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I'm just sayin' that still photography and video have very different requirements. Trying to force still photography methods onto a video workflow is bound to be difficult and full of problems, as you have found.
The answer to your "How do I resolve this problem" question is perhaps to use the still photography tools for still photography, and the video tools for video. A stills workflow for stills, and a video workflow for video.
A video workflow implies doing color correction and color grading on external monitors that natively support the target work space (Rec.709 in the case of HDTV, Blu-ray, or DVD output [OK, technically DVD uses SDTV's REC.601 work space, but 709 is "close enough" that you can get by in all but the most critical applications]). IOW, use a production monitor, or at least an HDTV (calibrated of course), to judge final output.
Trying to color correct video on a computer monitor is just asking for trouble. As you well know by now.
A good place to start learning the video way of things when it comes to color correction and grading is Alexis Van Hurkman's Color Correction Handbook. Highly recommended; it answered questions that I didn't know enough to ask yet. Might for you too, IDK.

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Hello! I have a quick product question - I have been using Lightroom for some time now and am very comfortable with the workflow I have going. I shoot quite a bit of film, and recently have been "scanning" my 6x6 negatives with my DSLR and a macro lens. I downloaded a trial of Elements 13 to see how the Photomerge option works. Long story short, it works great. Now I am curious if there are any differences between the Photomerge option in Photoshop CC vs Photoshop Elements 13. The only difference I can come up with is that the CC Photomerge has an option directly from Lightroom and Elements does not (merge to Panorama still greyed out with Elements installed). Thank you for your great products, and I truly appreciate your insight.

Most people either use one app or the other, and have very limited knowledge of the one they don't use. But from what I can find from a quick look round the web, they seem to be the same.
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