Color dropped from pasted objects

This is a new one for me. About a month ago, InDesign CS3 began dropping color from some objects (we build ads for a newspring tabloid), when the ads are copied from one doc to another. A black or yellow background will turn transparent in the new doc. This happens on both Intel iMacs (one 10.5.8, one 10.6.8). The doc is on a shared server (FAT) connected through an Apple timemachine router. I've used every possible combination of clipboard handling possible, no change. To make things worse, it's intermittent; sometimes color, mostly not. I've tried importing the patches from the original doc to the new before copy paste - doesn't help.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Jay Gamel

Thanks for the suggestion, Fred. It turned out to be a mismatch of object styles. Once I figured that out, reset the styles, no more problem. It took a while to track down though.

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                    if (parentItem != null)
                        //Alert.show("ADDED");
                        tree.dataDescriptor.addChildAt(parentItem, obj, position++);
                    else
                        //Alert.show("PARENT NULL");
                        tree.dataDescriptor.addChildAt(tree.selectedItem, obj, position++);
                    var spth:String=homePath.concat(item.label);
                    //Alert.show(spth);
                    var dpth:String=destPath.concat(item.label);
                    //Alert.show(dpth);
                    if (result == true)
                        removeItems();
                            //FlexDnDRemoteService.process(eid,"move",spth,dpth);
                    else
                        //FlexDnDRemoteService.process(eid,"copy",spth,dpth);
                    tree.validateNow();
            public function getObjectTarget():Object
                var dropData:Object=tree.mx_internal::_dropData as Object;
                if (dropData.parent != null)
                    return dropData.parent;
                else
                    // if there is not parent (root of the tree), I take the root directly
                    var renderer:IListItemRenderer=tree.indexToItemRenderer(0);
                    return renderer.data;
            public function removeItems():void
                //remove moved elements
                var items:Array=treedropevt.dragSource.dataForFormat("items") as Array;
                var coll:ArrayCollection=list.dataProvider as ArrayCollection;
                for each (var item:Object in items)
                    if (coll.contains(item))
                        coll.removeItemAt(coll.getItemIndex(item));
            private var treedropevt:DragEvent;
            public function onTreeDragDrop(event:DragEvent):void
                treedropevt=event;
                showAlert();
                event.preventDefault();
                tree.hideDropFeedback(event);
            public function resultHandler(event:ResultEvent):void
                Alert.show("Success", "Status");
            public function faultHandler(event:FaultEvent):void
                Alert.show(event.fault.faultString, "Failure");
        ]]>
    </mx:Script>
    <mx:ArrayCollection id="listDP">
        <mx:Object label="File1.dnd"/>
        <mx:Object label="File2.dnd"/>
        <mx:Object label="File3.dnd"/>
        <mx:Object label="File4.dnd"/>
        <mx:Object label="File5.dnd"/>
    </mx:ArrayCollection>
    <mx:Number id="lastRollOverIndex"/>
    
    <mx:ArrayCollection id="treeDP">
        <mx:Object label="/dndDest">
            <mx:children>
                <mx:ArrayCollection>
                    <mx:Object label="sample1.ks"/>
                    <mx:Object label="sample2.ks"/>
                    <mx:Object label="sample3.ks"/>
                    <mx:Object label="sample4.ks"/>
                    <mx:Object label="sample5.ks"/>
                    <mx:Object label="sample6.ks"/>
                </mx:ArrayCollection>
            </mx:children>
        </mx:Object>
    </mx:ArrayCollection>
    <mx:List id="list"
             itemRollOver="lastRollOverIndex = event.rowIndex"
             width="50%"
             dragEnabled="true"
             dataProvider="{listDP}"
             labelField="label"
             allowMultipleSelection="true"
             dragMoveEnabled="false">
    </mx:List>
    <mx:Tree id="tree"
             width="50%"
             dragEnabled="true"
             dataProvider="{treeDP}"
             dragEnter="onTreeDragEnter(event)"
             dragOver="onTreeDragOver(event)"
             dragExit="onTreeDragExit(event)"
             dragDrop="onTreeDragDrop(event)"
             labelField="label"
             liveScrolling="true">
    </mx:Tree>
    <mx:RemoteObject id="FlexDnDRemoteService"
                     showBusyCursor="true"
                     destination="FlexDnD">
        <mx:method name="process"
                   result="resultHandler(event)"
                   fault="faultHandler(event)"/>
    </mx:RemoteObject>
</mx:Application>
Thanks,
Rajiv

Ya , i have searched and have used the same code.
But needed to customize few things like:
stop dnd in same tree
drop some item into a folder ..( onto it ) etc
have achieved the same .. but this issue ..
i think the tree dataprovider (contents internally is not being updated .. only the UI)
any suggestions ?
- Rajiv

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