Color "Forgets" primary grades

I am grading 1 min TV commercials. I go along the timeline, grading each shot with primaries.
After I had finished the timeline, saved and quit, I re-opened the project a bit later and primaries on several of the clips had disappeared. There was no particular order or pattern as to which clips loose their primary grade, it's just random.
This problem has happened with several different projects, too. It's not just a one off thing.
Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone have a solution?

Had the problem? No. I have had COLOR swap grades among clips, but not completely disappear.
jPo

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