Color Grading - Adobe Speed Grade or ..?

Hi!
I'm looking for suggestions and opinions on Color Grading Software. I've been editing videos for about a year for my aerial video business, and am admittedly getting over my head and want to take my editing to the next level.
I'm upgrading all of our gear in the next few weeks, and need to step up my knowledge and ability. I'll be diving deep in e-learning, tutorials, and the Adobe community forums (which are absolutely amazing I must say). I currently have an Adobe CC membership and use Pr for both my editing and Color correction (which mostly consists of Brightness/Contrast, Luma Curve, Shad/High, and the occasional pre-packaged warming filter).
I have a lot to learn, and I know the software is just a tool...but I'm looking for suggestions on what software to begin with. I love adobe and would love to keep everything within the Adobe CC world, but I know Speedgrade is somewhat new and there are other major players in the color grading world.
If you have suggestions on CC software, pro/cons on Speedgrade, or even useful hints or tutorials regarding Speedgrade or where to start with CC that would be appreciated.
Thanks everyone
Craig

Speedgrade pros:
Extremeley powerful for color-grating (perhaps not quite to the level of resolve, but plenty for most users)
Well integrated with Pr and AE via dynamic link (especially compared to a non-adobe app)
Speedgrade cons:
A bit of a learning curve (but probably nothing a few good tutorials can't remedy)
So, if you're using PrPro and AE as your main editing and effects tools (not to mention photoshop, audition and perhaps lightroom), then Speedgrade seems like a no brainer to me unless you already have a lot of time and assets fully invested in some other color grading solution. I'm truly not just trying to hawk out producs, it just seems to make the most sense in your case.

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HT200321 were is the link for the ProRes free Download for use with adobe speed grade ?

Where is the link for thefree download of ProRes codex to use with Adobe Speed Grade

Speedgrade pros:
Extremeley powerful for color-grating (perhaps not quite to the level of resolve, but plenty for most users)
Well integrated with Pr and AE via dynamic link (especially compared to a non-adobe app)
Speedgrade cons:
A bit of a learning curve (but probably nothing a few good tutorials can't remedy)
So, if you're using PrPro and AE as your main editing and effects tools (not to mention photoshop, audition and perhaps lightroom), then Speedgrade seems like a no brainer to me unless you already have a lot of time and assets fully invested in some other color grading solution. I'm truly not just trying to hawk out producs, it just seems to make the most sense in your case.

Adobe Speed Grade

Why cant Speed grade read my AVCHD files from my Sony nxcam camera yet read the video files from my Canon 5D Mk III

At the moment SpeedGrade doesn't suppor AVCHD files, but the Canon 5D files are in a quicktime wrapper.

Adobe speed grade Exports video as a single frame

Here is a video i put together of the problem i dont get what im doing wrong. even when i export exactly as every tutorial does something still messes up. please help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtVhdgIBsio&feature=youtu.be

Try to enter output name manually (delete Src.PathElement.0 in file name box)

Which monitor is best for color grading?

I am new to Editing & color grading,i am working for films,using Adobe CS6 & davinci resolve now i am looking for 2nd monitor(reference or preview purpose) which one is best to choose in budget.
my monitor is dell 27 inch ips monitor,and what to choose second one ,is it a broadcast monitor or one more ips monitor is enough? broadcast monitor is expensive then which is best budget monitor to choose?plz help me

Hi all,
I've got a DeckLink 4K Extreme and Premiere Pro CS6. I am wondering what is the best monitor to plug it into for colour grading (via Speed Grade or Da Vinci Resolve Lite), as are the rest of you, it seems. As 4K monitors are now coming out I wondered about the Dell UltraSharp UP2414Q, connected via HDMI:
http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=8452 18
What do you good people reckon? This is bang on my budget of £1000 + VAT. Or is there a better bet?
The colour support says:
Colour Gamut (typical): Adobe RGB 99%, sRGB 100%
1.07 Billion colours (8 Bits +AFRC)
The much larger (and double the price) UP3214Q is here:
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dell-up3214q?c=uk&l=en&s=dh s&cs=ukdhs1&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=0&~ck=baynoteSearch
The colour support says:
Colour Gamut (typical): Adobe RGB 99%, sRGB 100%
1.074 Billion colours (10 Bits)
Is that difference between 8bit and 10bit going to seriously hamper me? Is there a 10bit 4K monitor in my price range or should I go for a 10bit 2K monitor?
(And yes, I know the DeckLink 4K Extreme is a hefty piece of kit for plugging into a 'relatively' cheap monitor but rather nice circumstances meant I ended up with one, albeit with no suitable monitor.)
Thanks.

RE: Speed Grade Crashes Many Times

Hello Everyone.
I just started learning Speed Grade. I have a Basic Movie In Premiere Pro with few Adjustment Layers, and I have choose: Direct Link To Adobe Speed Grade.
while working in Speed Grade It did Crashed many times. I have a new computer with 16 Gig of Ram, with a good Graphic Card.
the Error message only showed: Speed Grade Stopped Working.
Thanks.

My current Driver Version was 335.23, And I noticed there is a new update 337.88 that I just updated.
regarding Shift-Alt-Delete Crashing, It did crashed on other occasions only when I was playing with the colors.
I am going to watch very carefully to see if It crashes next time on what occasion.
UPDATED:
It did crashed while clinking on the Undo arrow.
Dose the Undo arrow works like other adobe programs for example can you undo like 10 times ?
Thanks
UPDATED AGAIN:
It did crashed again while Holding Asterisk Key * and also Holding Slash Key / from the Num- Pad of key-board
I noticed while Holding the Asterisk Key * it changes the FPS so you can watch your footage faster and Holding Slash key /
from the Num-Pad It reduces the FPS
Thanks

Premiere Pro to Speed Grade Error

so this is the error i get when trying to do a direct link to adobe speed grade. im sure this is a simple fix. right now im on the 30 free trial for both applications.

I've resolved my problem thanks to post by @gagneh on this forum. It turned out to be the NVidia nView Desktop Manager applet found in the Control Panel. It was enabled, and I believe it has been enabled for a long time. I don't know if something in a recent update broke things, but as soon as I disabled the Desktop Manager, my dynamic link started working again in all aspects. Give it a try. Good luck.

Speed Grade CC missing features when Direct Link with Premiere CC

I'm new to speed grade, so I am unclear as to what the issue might be:
When I direct Link from Premiere Speed Grade does not behave the way I would expect
I cannot select any tab other than "Look"
I cannot toggle the 'visibility' of layers
I can create adjustment layers, but they have no effect on the sequence.
I wish to grade my whole sequence with a broad LUT (day for nite)
Why does speed grade act this way?

Sam,
In the Direct Link process, Speedgrade uses the PrPro project file, rather than creating it's own internal files. Adobe is very cautious about allowing Sg to mess with that project file, with any/all sequences/timelines that might be there. So therefore ... ALL features that directly change a sequence timeline itself are locked-out, or as viewed ... greyed-out. They don't really explain this too well anywhere I've seen yet. So there are some caveats with working Direct Link, and once you get them down it is a sweet process ... mostly. You're right, you can't do anything but adjust how things "look" in a D-L session. That doesn't mean you can't change things of course ...
Grading layers: Create "adjustment layers" over clips or whole sequences in PrPro before going D L to Sg, and use those ... works just fine, as Joost notes. Any of Sg's adjustments from color primaries/secondaries/LOOKs/LUTs work fine applied in an "adjustment layer" the same as if they were in an Sg-created 'grading layer'.
There is one BIG CAVEAT: as Sg is not allowed to touch that timeline UNTIL you click on the "save & go back to PrPro" icon, IT DOES NOT DO ANY AUTOSAVES NO MATTER HOW YOU'VE SET PRPRO & SG FOR AUTOSAVING! If you have PrPro running in the background, you may see a brief flash of "autosaving" or something to that effect every now & then. IT IS NOT SAVING YOUR SPEEDGRADE WORK in a Direct Link session, do NOT be deceived!
You will need to do manual saves or save-as's every so often or risk losing your work. Yea, I wuz the guy what found this out ... sigh. Only lost two hours of work, and we had a joyful thread about this when I posted on that some months back. There's been talk of doing something about this, don't know if there's a correction for this coming.
Other than that, grading in Sg in a D L session works as you'd expect.

Speed grade does not work on my surface pro 3

Two questions:
Speed grade does not work on my surface pro 3. It open normaly but when I import a video I ear only the sound the image is black.Why?
So I try to install it on a over computer but in the creativ cloud software I didn't it. Why ?

I would suggest you are wasting your time trying to use SG on a Surface Pro 3. SG minimum hardware specifications ask for a discrete GPU that supports a GPGPU language like CUDA http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-speedgrade.html
If you want to do colour correction then try using Adobe Premier effects such as the Fast Color Corrector or Curves.

Speed Grade Crashes when rendering

SpeedGrade crashes on me when I try to render graded footage to an h.264 file. I have tried both mts footage from the canon xh-a1 that has been converted to quicktime as well as footage straight out of the 5D Mark 2. I can grade the footage, but every time I try to render the footage I get, 100% render completion and then SpeedGrade crashes. Also no file is ever created from the output. Very Frustrating. Any thoughts on what could be the problem.
Thanks

I have been using the English version and It crashes all the same.
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:33:59 -0600
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Subject: Speed Grade Crashes when rendering
    Re: Speed Grade Crashes when rendering
    created by Dennis Weinmann in SpeedGrade - View the full discussion
Thank you for sending the crash report. This is a known issue and only affects Italian builds. We have isolated this and working on a fix. Please stay tuned and use an English version of SpeedGrade in the meantime. Thanks
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Need color grading process

Hi,i have completed my film edit with premiere, now i want to grade it with speedgrade,which is the best way to grade my whole footage(160 min), because i heared that speed grade will convert whole project to dpx files and it saves seperately,can anyone tell me how to do my grade in easy method,do i increase my hard disk?what is the best process.
my system config is
i7 3930k
gtx titan
asus p9x79 pro
32 gb of ram 1600
2 tb sata 7200 rpm
3 tb sata 7200 rpm
hyper 212 evo cooler
850 watts power supply

1) There are some pretty good demo tutorials through Adobe on using Premiere Pro and Speedgrade together. I STRONGLY suggest you go view some of those ... you might start say with this one ...
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-speedgrade-cc/direct-link-colorcorrection-premiere-pro-to- speedgrade/
Note: there are several other segments to this that might be useful for you. Also search through the Adobe tv/tutorial stuff using search terms of premiere pro linked to speedgrade or similar.
2) There are MANY different ways to process a PPro project through grading, especially one as long as yours. So I can only give general "details" for a general process. It is such a rich program in the way there are multiple "tricks" for each thing you might need to accomplish. Some will work "easier" for your brain than others. You'll have to work through that ... because there is not one way to do it.
A fairly common workflow for a job as long as yours is to split the project into separate sequences in PPro, a "master" and several sub-sequences dependent on perhaps major sections of the film or commonly different "sorts" of footage. Say, the outside stuff shot during mid-day, or simply outside versus interior or whatnot. Factors that make a difference in the way you'll need to grade the shots, all grouped in sub-sequences as a "nested" group. Tthen take those sub-sequences over to Sg group by group for primary corrections. Get each main group of footage looking decent within it's own group.
Then make an adjustment layer over each sequence/timeline in PPro, and create another sequence/timeline that includes a clip or scene from each of the groups of the previous step, then take that sequence/timeline over into Sg. Work on those top adjustment layers to "fit" or "blend" the various scene types into a coherent whole. Now, if done right ... those adjustment layers will have "spread" this work over each group and moved your grading work over all the affected shot sequences.
After that, you'll need to take your whole master timeline into Sg and do a few final modifications.
Sorry but I can't give you all the details of that ... just a general push. STUDY THE TUTORIALS! And then if Jim Simon or shooternz of Ann Bens or Fuzzy Barsik or some of the other experienced folk around here jump in, they can help with details down the road.
And of course correct anything in my verbiage above that I've either mis-typed or simply gone wrong on. And sorry but these are such huge programs there isn't a simple 1-2-3 way to operate. There's maybe 40 of them, at least. All with sub-options. And derivations, adherents, and detractors.
Neil

Speed grade CS6 crashes every time I try to open it

I looked up my Speed Grade CS6 and it stated it worked with OS6.8 and OS7. Well, mine will not open, it crashes every time i try to open it. I have and older Mac Pro 1.1 and can back door it and different processor but am I wasting my time and money I don't have? Help!

Not on Mac myself, but I've seen several issues on new installs that can be a pain. First ... there's some permissions on the Mac that can with some of the OS releases get set wrong ... similar to the way on the PC side of things some folks have to set it to "run as Administrator account" or something like that. Sorry but I don't know the precise language or location of that setting.
Second, on installation some times there can be garbage created in pref settings that can cause this ... trying to remember ... it's I think holding shift-alt- while starting the program that gets it by the prefs & setup files, which sometimes fixes this.
Third, at times you just need to uninstall/reinstall. Best done using Adobe's CC Cleaner tool, as it deletes all the preference/setup files that typical OS uninstalls don't get. And are realistically the things you most want GONE to fix this.
Adobe CC Cleaner App
https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/cs5-cleaner-tool-installation-problems.html
Neil

HP DreamColor Monitor for FCP Color grading

Hello, apologies that I posted this question also on the beginners video forum.
I am about to get a new Mac Pro set up specifically for color grading as I am a cinematographer and need more control over small projects where there is no budget for color grading of images at professional post houses. My vendor suggests using the 24" HP DreamColor LP 2480zx monitor driven from a Black Magic Intensity Pro card using the HDMI output. I have read conflicting reports and read a huge amount on forums such as Creative Cow about this but still not convinced I can get full 30bit grading from a Mac OS X using this monitor. I am in Australia and most projects here are in PAL format in HD at 1080p25 or 50i. I use FCP 7.
Any advice please?

are you saying I should look at Da Vinci Resolve to grade? Why?
It depends on whether you're a day-in and day-out business, and your preferred workflow. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. The Balckmagic-branded daVinci has a number of internal core processing advantages, a tracker that works, far superior color science, especially in secondary processing, but suffers from an old, "tape-to-tape" single-layer capability. However, it is truly "real-time", but that isn't as important to some.
The latest version of Resolve supports multiple-GPU processing on Mac, so the difference between the OSX offering and the much more expensive LInux may not be that great in actual performance. You can build a faster machine with more hardware.
The question... is it the software or controller that makes is (sic) so good? misses the point. Its a synergy of elements, just like good grading itself.
jPo

Looking for Pre-Rendered Editing / Color Grading Workflow suggestions.

Looking for Pre-Rendered Editing / Color Grading Workflow suggestions.
All my material is rendered via RenderMan, our resolution is 1280x544, and our format is generally .exr in 32 bit space.
Our editor has been converting over to 32-bit tiffs, and using Apple Intermediate Codec for editing, mostly for speed concerns.
We need to re-vamp our workflow so that we can edit our footage, and then do color grading of the edit head to tail to smooth the look between scenes. We want to do this in Color, being fed by Final Cut Pro's timeline.
We want to keep our bit depth as high as possible when coming into Color.
My question is, does anyone here have any workflow suggestions for doing what I am talking about.
I wasn't sure if we should just export and EDL from FCP and try to get Color to load our single frames from that. Or if there is a special Quicktime wrapper we should be using, or converting our 32-bit .exr files into some other format more readily available for using in Color?
Any thoughts would be great, thanks in advance!

You're not going to get anywhere beyond 10-bit. That's it.
Try encoding to 10-bit LOG dpx if you need upscale RGB.
jPo

LCD for Color Grading

I'll need to dive into Color when I finish editing my one-hour long documentary in a couple months. The doc is intended to be shown on a large theatre screen one time, then broadcast on community-access television and lent through our regional public library system on DVD. My question(s): Can the Apple 30" Cinema Display be used for color grading? Or HP's 2480zx LCD Monitor? Would the Spyder3Elite Display Calibration product be useful? Thanks in advance.

Interestingly enough, the options for trying to push a computer text display into being a grade monitor are narrowing down to nothing. The harder people have been trying to make a silk purse out of these sow's ears has resulted in the inevitable conclusion that hey, there really is no such thing as free lunch. Even the vaunted ACD's after watching two of them for nearly three years now, can't hold a calibration for more than a couple of hours and then go magenta. Its because we need so much green to make D65 white. Those poor green dots just peter out and then red and blue take over. So you better be fast, because you will be working with a different monitor for the second half of the day.
An interesting thread on a pro telecine site has been discussing the HP Dreamcolor... the general conclusion is that it is probably great for a cubicle farm full of compositing and animation artists who more need a match between them than truly accurate colorimetry. At least its consistent. A high end grading device company member warned against using certain types of "probes", since at varying resolutions of display, you really have no idea what the thing is integrating to come up with a white point.
One of the really huge things that is missing is the ENVIRONMENT that the grade is taking place in. Sure, the monitor is important... but almost equally so is the room in which it is situated... its ambient illumination and the requirement for a constant contrast neutral 18% D65 background against which to judge the monitor itself, not just what it is trying to display.
That's one of the reasons that the COLOR GUI is that "ugly" grey.... even though its probably not grey at all if the monitor you're using to display it is whacked. Every time you look at it... it is influencing the balance of your target image. Imagine you're the beer taster at the world's finest brewery.... and what (hold on a minute while I savour the fantasy.... okay, I'm back) but between samples you take a big gulp of vinegar. Right. Is that going to work?
jPo

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