Color in and out of lightroom

Hi, I have a question and I just can't find the answer in the forum. I work on a mac book pro, with an external monitor La Cie which is calibrated (hardware calibration). The color of the pictures are nice when in lightroom or photoshop but not outside of these programs , the colors are oversaturated mostly reddish. In fact, the icons on the desktop are reddish or oversaturated. It is not too bad because the colors are ok to work on the photogaphies (in lightroom or photoshop) but I would like to understand this and, hopefully, solve it.
Oerdita

Your external monitor is likely one of the wide gamut ones. The gamut of those is closer to adobeRGB than sRGB and when you use unmanaged apps on that, your colors will look oversaturated. Also be aware that on Mac OS X, only a few apps know how to deal with multiple monitors correctly. Many apps will use the profile of the main monitor (your laptop's much narrower gamut display) even when displayed on the second monitor resulting in completely wrong color. Lightroom and Photoshop do this correctly, but Apple's preview and Safari don't as well as many other apps. This will result in images looking oversaturated on the Eizo when you use those apps. Nothing can be done about this until Apple fixes them.

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I have wide gamut monitor (nec pa271w) and I tried to calibrate it. After calibration it created new color profile and make it default in windows color managment. But now all pictures in Lightroom are not so colourful as they were before. If I choose srgb(default profile for windows) the colors become as they were before calibration but in this case I see srgb color space and not full color that my monitor can produce. I read articles about calibration but didn't find how to solve the problem with lightroom.

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function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}But now all pictures in Lightroom are not so colourful as they were before.
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