Color issue from aperture to web

I put a few web pages on the web containing images I shot of a friend. I noticed that when I view my photos on the web using my mac, they look nice, but when I look at them on my windows laptop they look red and darker. I tried to set the proofing profile to adobe rgb 1998 and the export color mode to the same.
I am not skilled enough to analyze my problem. Do I need a monitor calibrater? I do plan on using this method of displaying my work on a permiment basis. So I want my work to look the same on my macbook pro as it does on any pc. I am on my way to becoming a professional photographer, but I need to get my workflow together before I try to go all out.
Thanks in advanced for any help on this topic
tearitup

Thanks to you all for the help and welcoming to the forum. I will get a color calibrator tomorrow as I know I need it. That link is very helpful also.
So far in my 1st two weeks running a mac, barring a few issues that I believe can be addressed with system updates, I am more than happy I made the switch.
I find photoshop and all my image editing software run really fast compared to my old windows pc. The funny thing is my pc is a 3.2ghz processor and my mbp is a 2ghz processor. Go figure!!
I like aperture a lot also but I am also pleased with lightroom. There is one major reason why I find myself using lightroom still. I can't find a way to edit multi images in aperture. In lr I just select the images I want to say change white balance, I select the preset wb or color temp. and then it updates all the images I have selected. Is there an equivalent to this action in aperture? I think if I had this available to me I would very very happy with aperture.
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I understand that Aperture uses a proprietary color sync profile
If the profile were proprietary, it would be an illegal profile under the ICC Specification.
However, I note that my RAW images exported from Aperture 2.0 as jpg's and then uploaded to web sites such as Jalbum and Orkut are washed out.
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Colour Model: This defines the format or model of the colourants, e.g. three component RGB, four component CMYK.
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