Color Management Settings in Windows 7/Vista

I know this is not exactly the right forum to ask, but I also know that some people very knowledgable in color managment read/write here:
Can somebody explain to me what the setting of "Device Profile" in "Windows Color System Defaults" really does/affects:
I've searched the web and found nothing but questions ...
Beat

Noel:
I have custom calibrated with an Eye-One puck. I was just searching around looking for a way to verify that indeed the profile was in place, concerned that it might not be, and came across this advice in the links attached to my first message. But my ultimate goal was to verify that indeed I had my monitor profile in place.
After reading through the links, although I did tick the "Use Windows Display Calibration" I did not push the "Calibrate Display" button, recognizing that this leads to a visual calibration routine. In the links I attached, and also:
http://www.pusztaiphoto.com/articles/colormgmt/win7/default.aspx
the authors are suggesting that ticking the "Use Windows Display Calibration" is a necessary step to ensure that your custom profile is loaded and remains loaded. Although I admit that this seems illogical (hence my question) the author of the article linked above asserts that checking this box does not relate only to a visual calibration via the "Calibrate Display" button. Indeed, in referring to the Microsoft description of this module, where it says that"Windows profile loading" should only be used in conjunction with the visual calculation function his advice his is to "[i]gnore it," indicating that the people who wrote the help article misunderstood its function.
And, as noted above, after trying this I did notice a profile shift with my custom calibration in place, so it did pique my curiosity. In the last analysis however my ultimate goal is to know that my custom profile is properly loaded.
Any thoughts on what is the best way to do that?
Thanks,
Brian

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