Color Management-Where is my error?

30" Apple Cinema Display recently calibrated with Eye-One Display 2. Photoshop CS3 color space is North America General Purpose 2. I open Digital Color Meter, take a color (#5e90ba) from a web page in Safari. I make a new Photoshop document, fill it with aforesaid color, save it and set it as my desktop. Digital Color Meter says my Desktop is displaying #5e8cb7, not #5e90ba, and visually, there is a very slight difference between the color on the web page & my desktop. I just can't wrap my mind around this. What is going on here?

I think it's the OS as Ann has stated. If I take an image, for example, and save converting the image from working Adobe RGB profile to sRGB while embedding the icc profile and use a web browser like Safari, the image will look exactly like it does in Photoshop. But that is because I assigned the profile to go with the sRGB image. But when I put the image as a wallpaper on the desktop, the image is all of a sudden less saturated. I can instantly see the colors shifted or toned down a tad. Now, add to that I do not think the monitor, no matter how well I have tried to calibrate using Monaco XR Pro with Color Eyes software - I cannot say the gamma available with my Apple Cinema Display of 23" is accurate even at this point. But the fact that the image will match in PS and Safari but not the desk top shows that yes, the desktop does not see the profile along with the image.
Have you tried to go to Photoshop and under Edit menu, use Monitor Space as your color space and see if that now matches the desktop? They should now match. Meaning there will always be a difference between the two even locally on one machine.
The fact that it wasn't a JPG doesn't mean anything. It is only the way the color (an arbitrary number in this case) is displayed to your eyes on the monitor. Again, your monitor space will not match your working space unless you change the two spaces to match in PS or what ever app you are using with color management because you created a working space using calibration.
The working space is created by the hardware/software calibrating tools as you know. And for me, coming from the PC side recently to the Mac side, I can say that Color Eyes makes more corrections to an Apple Cinema Display than any monitor of any price I used on the PC side. Granted, once calibrated, it looks incredible. The Macbook Pro laptop is the biggest disappointment due to the fact that it is not true 32 or 24 bit but some say really bad, like 6 bit.
Anyway, I think Ann has stated what you need to grasp and to show the extent of it, just go to PS and change your Color Profile to Monitor Space instead of a working space and see what happens.

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    My monitor is an HP S2331, whose color space is sRGB and cannot be reset to RGB (I think) except for temperature; the default is 6500K.
    My printer is an HP Photosmart Pro B9180 Printer, where there are also a variety of settings possible.
    I’m running XP-Pro.
    Here’s Where I Get Confused
    Everything I have read about color management (various web sites, forums, books, etc) says to have the image, monitor, and printer all in the same color space.
    Everything I read about PSE 8 (same sources) says to set PSE 8 to ‘Always Optimize for Printing’ under Edit>Color Settings in order to get the best prints.  This displays photos based on the Adobe RGB color space. 
    I am taking pictures in sRGB, and telling PSE 8 to process them in RGB by selecting ‘Always Optimize for Printing’.  Is this something I should be concerned about?  Should I reset my camera for RGB?
    Further, by selecting ‘Always Optimize for Printing’, I am setting PSE 8 for RGB while my monitor displays sRGB.  Is this an important issue or is it also much ado about technicalities that an amateur should not worry about?  It does violate the ‘keep them in the same color space’ rule.
    Next, when I go to File>Print and get the Print window and then do the Page Setup and Select Printer, I then go to More Options in the lower left of the window.  Under the More Options window, I select Color management and select Photoshop Elements Manages Colors.  Next, there is Image Space, which is fixed and not subject to selection from a drop down menu. 
    I understand that this is the image space of the image I took with my camera and that information is embedded in the image.  Correct?
    Next, there is Printer Profile.  But, from what I have read, this is where the IEC profile of the paper being printed on is supposed to be selected, isn’t it? 
    Shouldn’t this more appropriately be called Paper Profile, or Printing Media Profile?  Further, this drop down menu appears to be somewhat erratic, sometimes showing all of the paper profiles I believe are loaded, sometimes not. It also shows listings such as Working RGB-Adobe RGB (1988), Adobe RGB 1988, Dot Gain 10%, 15%.... along with a lot of paper profiles.  Aren’t those profiles unnecessary here?
    I’ve used both Relative Colorimetric and Perceptual Rendering and am happy with either one. 
    Next, when I go to Printer Preferences, in order to “…disable color management in the printer preferences dialog”, under the Color Tab, I select Application Managed Colors from the Color management drop down menu, and also have the option of selecting ColorSmart/sRGB and Adobe RGB (1988).  
    Is there any time when I should use either ColorSmart/sRGB or Adobe RGB  (1988)?  If I were staying with my camera’s sRGB setting, given the fact that the monitor is sRGB, would the appropriate selections be ‘Printer Manages Colors’ and ‘ColorSmart/sRGB’?
    Finally, under the Features Tab, I go to look for the same paper I selected under Printer Profile (Question 4 above).  If it is one of the pre-loaded (by HP) profiles, it is there, but if it is a profile I downloaded, say for an Ilford paper, it isn’t listed, and I need to guess at an equivalent type of paper to select.
    Is there any way to get that listing to appear under the Paper Type drop down menu?
    I know that this is a long post, but it helped me to clarify my ‘issues’.  Thank you for any and all suggestions, answers, guidance and help.

    RIK,
    Some printers have long names, esp. HP printers, and PSE gets ":confused." In control panel>devices and printers, right click on the default printer, go to printer properties, and rename the default printer to something short, e.g. "Our Printer." That may fix it..

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