Color profiles and export presets

I shoot RAW, with the color space in the camera set to sRGB, but after importing to Aperture (3.2.4), the Profile name in the metadata inspector is always Adobe RGB. Why does this transformation come about automatically (i.e., is there some technical rationale for not letting the user decide)? Can I change some setting somewhere it so it stays sRGB and then export as Adobe RGB if I need it (i.e, rather than sRGB). I do a lot of uploading to a website (with printing at home not of primary importance), so working with sRGB all the way through without going to Adobe RGB and back again seems to make more sense.

EXIF data is really a sort of gray area, while all digital cameras and all digital image software interact with the EXIF fields to some extent there really isn't any one definitive standard of what is put where and exactly what it means apart for the few obvious ones.
So you're point makes sense but it's really not an Aperture thing. If you look at the file before importing the field is already filled out.
regards
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Welcome to the Apple Discussions. Try looking for all occurrences of the AdobeRGB1998.icc profile on your HD, archive them in place and remove the original profile. This will let you replace them if you find they are needed at a later date for some other use. Then try some new shots from the camera, import, edit and export. See if that will let you avoid having the Adobe profile used upon exit.
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I read a post that said sRBG was the best color profile for ibook. It is also the smallest gamut compared to Adobe 1998 or ProRGB. Is it really "the best" one to use?
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vemina39 wrote:
Thank you Ramon,
Could you please elaborate? I have looked through the page you gave me a link to. I did not see much new there.
The problem I have is with proofing. If I switch to sRGB I have consistent colors through all my applications but they look very washed out and way too cold. If I then make my picture look "natural" (whatever that means) on my screen, it looks too saturated and too warm on most of other screens I tried. (And on paper too.)
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Vera
Vera,
If G. Ballard's excellent, clearly written pages did not help you, you can bet I won't be able to either.
No, I was saying OY! about your entire post!
Good grief! you're turning off Color Management in Photoshop (or you think you are, but you're not "turning it off", you're just messing it up) and you're massively misusing your monitor profile.
Honestly I don't have the time, strength or inclination to explain it to you step-by-step.
CAUTION: NEVER, ever set your working space to be your monitor profile!
In very broad strokes:
Calibrate and profile your monitor, use the resulting profile ONLY in your OS and nowhere else, not anywhere in Photoshop. Set your working profile to a device-independent profile such as ProPhoto RGB, Adobe RGB or sRGB, embed the same device-independent profile such as ProPhoto RGB, Adobe RGB or sRGB, in your file (that is called "tagging your file"), work with your file and save it.
• Then, for the web, Convert a copy the file to sRGB if it's not already tagged as sRGB, then soft proof (Proof) the file with the sRGB profile to see how other people who happen to have a calibrated monitor (less than 2% of all web viewers) will see it in a color managed application.
For heaven's sake DO NOT soft-proof with your gosh-darned monitor profile!!! You're just fooling yourself that way. No one else in the entire world will see the image the same way except by sheer serendipity.
—What kind of printer are you using? Are you talking about your own inkjet printer or a commercial printing press?
• If your own printer, then your file should be created in an Adobe RGB working color space (you can move up to an even wider space once you know what you are doing), tag your file with the embedded Adobe RGB profile, and then use your TARGET (paper) profile to soft-proof your image. The Target Profile, also called paper profile, MUST be specific to a particular combination of paper/ink/printer.
• If a commercial press, ask them to provide their own profiles for their print presses or devices so you can use it for soft proofing.
In both of these last two cases, use the paper target profile for soft proofing. NEVER your gosh-darned monitor profile!
Again: If G. Ballard's excellent, clearly written pages did not help you, you can bet I won't be able to either. I'm done here.

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