Color Renders and FCP

What happens to the sequence in final cut pro if I erase the COLOR renders?
So I have a project in COLOR (that came from FCP), I finish my grade, send it back to FCP.
I would like to save space by erasing the COLOR renders, but wanted to know if it would affect the graded sequence in FCP if i do that?
Thanks,
Adam

What happens to the sequence in final cut pro if I erase the COLOR renders?
Everything in the sequence you sent back from Color will go offline.
I would like to save space by erasing the COLOR renders, but wanted to know if it would affect the graded sequence in FCP if i do that?
Yes, it would. FCP is referencing those renders...it is no longer referencing the original media.
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