Color Separations

Hi there,
I know this topic has been visited several times by others but I am having a hard time finding them through the forum searches.
I am trying to print color separations for screen print through cs5 (previously I was using cs2) I have Acrobat 9 (it came with the premium design pack) and I cannot get the print pdf option to appear in the print dialogue box from illustrator. I need a multipage color separation document for my work. I am on a deadline and any help would be great. I am on a Macintosh O.S 10.6.4
Thanks in advance for any help.

Also if you could tell me how to splice out the colors in acrobat I would still really appreciate it.
thanks!
Sean Jones, Creation Nation Design Studio
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:50:13 -0600
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Color Separations
You can still do it the old way but there is a little trick to it. Instead of using Acrobat as the Printer fro the drop down select Adobe Postscript as the printer and use generic post script printer as the profile.
Then Host Based Separation will do find save it to a director.
Now Distill the .ps and you'l end up with your separated pdf.
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