Color shift during export

I have just completed a project in Final Cut and I'm now ready to export to DVD Studio and I tried "Export to Quicktime Movie" but the overall colors became brighter. I've done plenty of color correction and I have my monitors calibrated and I see a BIG diference in brightness level.
What is the most accurate way of getting this project directly to DVD format or HD DVD format without any color shifts or further adjustments? And converting the audio to AC3.
The project is all in HDV 720p24 from a JVC HD101 camera.
The length is 15 min 15 sec 19 frms
I plan to put this on a SD DVD and make a HD DVD image ready so I can burn once I've bought a HD burner.
Thanks

Now I opened the same file in FCP and the colors are as the original ones, this must be because there's a diference in color spaces.
Most people won't be watching this on FCP but other players like quicktime or windows media player and I would not like them to see this shift in colors.
And what about DVD players?
If I drop this clip into DVD Studio Pro and see that the colors are like the original (though I still need to go through compression) will the colors remain the same when I use my Apple DVD Player and not shift like quicktime does?

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Wow, what a quick reply!
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I know this has been a while so hopefully you found some help by now, but maybe this will help anyone stumbling across this.
What people seem to be missing in what you are asking is... this is the same file, on the same monitor, but with a different appearance in different software. It is not a question of whether the overall monitoring is GOOD, and it is not a matter of hardware settings (as that would most likely propogate across all software) it is that it is not CONSISTENT side by side on the very same monitor.
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http://www.artstorm.net/journal/2009/07/color-management-wide-gamut-dell-2408/
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