Color Shift when copying original photo to new canvas

Using PSE2, I am processing photos of children, printing desired sizes, but have a puzzle when trying to make a wallet sheet or other multiple images moved to one print-ready sheet. (My printer is carefully calibrated with ICM profiles for each photo paper I use.) My enhanced, clean, perfect-when-printed color works fine for the 4x6, 5x7 or 8x10 or other sizes. For example, I resize the flattened image and print a single wallet size to recheck color or paper selection. BUT, to make a wallet sheet using multiple copies of my good image (not using the print package because I want custom sizing), I copy the small image 3 times onto the new canvas with white background layer. Using the grid, I place the 3 images perfectly, flatten that strip, repeat until I have 9 wallets per sheet. However, the puzzle is, every time I print this sheet which printed perfectly as a single image previously, the new sheet of photos has a definite color shift, quite noticeable from my originally printed, both on the screen and on the photo paper. Why would the image file change somehow between the first test print of the single picture and the copied-to-a-new-canvas multiple image sheet? Can't understand why this would happen, but it does every time. Also, when printing 2 5x7 images on one 8.5x11 sheet, I have to print the image in two distinct print jobs, turning the paper between jobs so I get the original color as expected. Strange. Can you help?

Robin,
I also have PSE2 and I tried duplicating your problem but the colors are same (thank goodness!) whether printed single or multiple. Did this just start or have you always had the problem? How did you create the blank file that you placed the pictures on?
This is a long shot, but you might try resetting the preferences file; this cures many PSE problems which pop up for no apparent reason. To do this, press and hold Alt-Ctrl-Shift (Option-Command-Shift on Mac) immediately while starting PSE (the timing is critical, you may have to try this several times). A dialog box will pop up with the question "Delete the Adobe Photoshop Elements Settings file?". Click YES.

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