Color "shifted" in CS4 RAW files
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Ill try to explain my problem. Until last year I used ACR (combined with Bridge CS3) to color manage my images. Then I would convert them to DNG using the Adobe DNG Converter, and bring them into iMatch (www.photools.com), which is the program I use to manage my image database. I would work with a calibrated monitor, and a sRGB color profile.
The DNG images would look the same in Bridge and iMatch, and if I extracted the JPG preview from any DNG image it would also look the same.
This year I bought a new laptop and a CS4 license (previously I was doing the CS3 work using a license from the place I work at). Ive calibrated my laptop screen with a Pantone Huey Pro screen calibrator.
When I open my images in CS4 the color in all of them looks "shifted", as if the white balance was off. They look consistently greenish and somewhat washed out. This happens in Bridge, ACR and Photoshop.
However, if I open any of the JPG images (the ones that I created extracting the preview from the DNG files) they look the way they should. So from this I can infer that it can't be a screen calibration problem (otherwise both the JPG and its DNG counterpart would look wrong, instead of just the DNG).
So it seems like CS4 is rendering the DNG images differently than it should. But I havent been able to find out how to correct the problem.
Some other info: In the ACR flyout menu I have Image Settings selected, and under the Camera Calibration I have Embedded selected. Ive already tried (at the suggestion of Adobe support) to reset the Bridge preferences by holding CTRL+Shift when Bridge loads, but this hasnt corrected the problem.
Also, here are my system specs,:
- Precision M6400: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600(2.4GHz,1066MHz,3MB)
- Display : 17in Widescreen WUXGA (1920X1200)
- Memory : 4096MB (2x2048) 1067MHz DDR3 Dual Channel
- Graphics card: 1GB NVIDIA Quadro FX3700M (with 1GB dedicated memory)
- Hard Drive : 200GB Serial ATA (7200RPM)
- Operating System : WXP Pro SP3
I have already contacted Adobe support about this a few days ago, but so far no luck. So I thought Id try the forums as well and see if anyone here has any theories as to what the problem could be. Im stuck until Im able to solve this, so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Hello,
I'm still having trouble with this same issue, wondering if anyone has further thoughts.
I've read some of the similar threads, like: http://forums.adobe.com/message/1203718 and http://forums.adobe.com/message/1203965
But I'm still confused.
I hadn't noticed the color shifts in Bridge being so pronounced until recently. So maybe something got inadvertently reset?
It would be a bad idea to change my computer's color profile to generic sRGB (as someone suggested), since I have a good calibrated color profile via the Gretag MacBeth (yeah, it's older) EyeOne Display. I've used that calibration device for years, updating every 6-12 months. Never been a problem.
It doesn't make any sense to me that Bridge should alter the colors of thumbnails/previews for RAW images (from the very good looking camera setting) before I even open Camera Raw to work on the RAW images. I don't work on every single RAW image, and doubt anyone does. But if I have 50 landscape shots, and the mere act of looking at their previews in Bridge turns all their skies unnaturally purple (which is currently happening), I lose any visual record of what the skies really looked like -- or at least a much closer approximation.
My Canon 40D's jpg previews for RAW images are quite good when they initially show up in Bridge. I'd really like to keep them until I work in Camera Raw, to give me a good visual memory starting point until I can get to work in ACR. Sometimes I don't start serious work on an image for many months after shooting.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it also doesn't make sense to me that a solution is to make a new Camera Raw default based on a photo I've worked on in ACR, because the color settings always depend on the lighting situation a photo was taken in, don't they? How could a daylight photo's settings be right for an indoor or sunset shot with totally different lighting and color temps?
Bottom line question: Is there any way to prevent Bridge from altering the color in thumbnails/previews of RAW images before you've worked on the images in Camera Raw? (Even if you click on a thumbnail to see the preview in Bridge, I mean.)
Thank you very much!!!
~Glenn
Message was edited by: glennooo - for clarity and to fix a link
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Create Date : 2011:02:10 00:34:31.23
Date/Time Original : 2011:02:10 00:34:31.23
Modify Date : 2011:02:10 00:34:31.23
Thumbnail Image : (Binary data 4689 bytes, use -b option to extract)
WB RGGB Levels : 2491 1024 1024 1558
Blue Balance : 1.521484
Circle Of Confusion : 0.019 mm
Field Of View : 40.7 deg
Focal Length : 30.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 48.6 mm)
Hyperfocal Distance : 9.70 m
Lens : 18.0 - 55.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 29.1 - 89.0 mm)
Light Value : 7.3
Red Balance : 2.432617 -
Color Shift with ProPhot RGB in CS4
When I had CS3 I would be able to open a RAW image in Photoshop with the ProPhoto RGB color space. I would then change the color space as needed.
In CS4, I am using the 64-bit version, and there is a color shift when I open a RAW image in Photoshop with ProPhoto color space. The color is desaturated.
There is no color sift when I open the same image using Adobe RGB.
Why is this happening?
LynneaThere is a color shift when the Photoshop color space is set as ProPhoto (Edit>Color Settings) and the RAW color space to open in Photoshop is set as ProPhoto.
There is no color shift if RAW color space is Adobe RGB and the Photoshop is set with ProPhoto (Edit>Color Settings).
But, when I save the image, the color space in file information as seen in Bridge is Adobe RGB.
Could this be connected to GPU and "Move Color Matching to the GPU?"
I have seen comments concerning GPU and color sifts, but I don't really understand them.
It is frustrating since I do calibrate my monitor and have seen some of the images in both CS3 and now CS4 and thus can see the difference.
LYnnea
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