Color Space for iBook Printers and Photo Printers?

Has anyone figured out what the Color Spaces are for the iBook Printers and the Photo printers they use when you order prints through iPhoto? is it sRGB IEC61966 or something else? I want to clean up some shots in Photoshop before sending...
Thanks!

Yes, I set all profiles to the sRGB except the monitor. I calibrated my monitor thru the system preferences as the whites seemed too yellow with the sRGB for my viewing tastes.
I don't do a whole lot of printing. More into creating iDVD projects but I have Photoshop set for sRGB. There are a number of sites on color management which may give you some more insight.
http://www.shootsmarter.com/infocenter/wc007.html
http://www.gballard.net/psd.html
http://www.gballard.net/psd/honormyembeddedprofile.html
http://www.apple.com/pro/color/

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The availability of color space in RAW, TIFF and JPEG files

This is useful if your new to DSLR photography.
This is Nikon response on my question in the discussion: View photo metadata
I'm assuming that you know that Adobe RGB shows about 50% and sRGB 35% of CIELAB color space.
In a DSLR camera like the Nikon D800 you can select a color space (Adobe RGB or sRGB) in the shooting menu.
In Adobe Lightroom 4.3 the RAW metadata shows no color space info. Therefore I asked why not?
In the (Dutch) Nikon D800 manual on page 84 (about RAW) and 274 (about color space) and Nikon FAQ website there is no descripton about the color space availability/behavior in RAW, JPEG and TIFF files.
In the book "Mastering the Nikon D800 by Darrel Young" on page 125 - 126 is written: "If you shoot in RAW format a lot, you may want to consider using Adobe RGB....."
All experts on this forum answered: color space does not apply/affect the RAW data file or RAW files have no color space.
The respone of Nikon Europe Support (Robert Vermeulen) was: In Nikon D800 NEF RAW files both color spaces (Adobe RGB and sRGB) are always physically available. In JPEG and TIFF files only the in the shooting menu selected color space is physically available. So the forum experts gave the correct answer!
Of course you can convert afterwards a JPEG or TIFF file with sRGB color space to Adobe RGB but you don't get more colors.
When you install the Microsoft Camera Codec Pack or FastPictureViewer Codec Pack they only show color space metadata for JPEG and TIFF files and nothing for RAW because color space "doesn't exist". I thought the codec packs removed the color space metadata for my RAW files.
Adobe Lightroom also can not show color space for RAW files because that "doesn't exist".

Van-Paul wrote:
The respone of Nikon Europe Support (Robert Vermeulen) was: In Nikon D800 NEF RAW files both color spaces (Adobe RGB and sRGB) are physically available. In JPEG and TIFF files only the in the shooting menu selected color space is physically available.
I still think this is an evasive answer that doesn't really pinpoint the exact chain of events that take place. They are:
1. The raw file contains the naked data captured by the sensor. This is just a very dark grayscale image.
2. In the raw converter it is encoded into a working color space to process the information. In Lightroom this is known as "Melissa RGB", or linear gamma Prophoto. It is also demosaiced to bring back the color information.
3. From Lightroom it can be exported to one of the familiar color spaces like sRGB or Adobe RGB. This is, in principle at least, a normal profile conversion.
These three steps are what the camera does to produce a jpeg. So the basic steps are the same, the camera is just doing it automatically (and usually butchering the image in the process...).
This Darrell Young is, I'm sure, an excellent photographer, but in this he is seriously confused and just propagating a common myth. Anyway, thanks for bringing up this discussion, hope you didn't object too much to the tone of the answers... Our only concern here was to get this right and with no room for misunderstanding.

How to select color space for PDF export in Aperture 3

If you're exporting a book layout as a PDF for printing by a third-party album company, you may need to specify sRGB as the color space for images in the PDF. That's OK if your book is composed of JPEGs that are already in the sRGB color space. But, if your images are RAW, Aperture will export them into PDF using the Adobe RGB color space by default. Sending aRGB images to an sRGB printer will result in flat, unsaturated colors, as I learned the hard way. Apple tech support was unable to tell me how to handle this, but I stumbled on the answer myself. Select the book in the Library pane. Select File > Print Book. In the resulting printer dialogue window, pull down the Color Profile menu (default: No Profile Selected) and select sRGB or whatever target color space you desire. Then, click the PDF button and select Save as PDF. Presto! Your PDF images will now be in the appropriate color space.

Hi again, here some updates.
the issue is still there.
From Aperture, I tried to export to PDF the single images, and they look good (no posterization).
Furthermore, I created a photo book from iPhoto with the same pictures, and exported it to PDF. It also looks fine.
Also opening/exporting to PDF from photoshop does not show any problem.
The problem occurs only if I try to print the book from Aperture (option "print book" -> "save as PDF"), or if I make a book preview before placing the order (I suppose it's the same action).
Is anybody aware of what exactly Aperture does in these particular cases?
Please consider that:
1. my monitor (iMac 24") is hardware calibrated
2. the source pictures are in RAW (so no color profile on them) and (just a couple) in TIFF (16bit, Adobe RGB). I also tried reimporting in the album jpg converted versions, with no better results.
3. OS and Aperture are updated to the latest versions.
This problem is blocking me from placing the order...
Someone could give some help here?
thanks in advance
marco

Setting color codes for more than one photo at a time

Is there any way to set color codes for more than one photo at a time?

Hi John,
I will look at keywords. My issue is speed. Right now I am culling and editing an event shoot that spanned a week with 35 separate events and more than 5000 images. So I use the fastest most convenient method I can and it still takes a long time to have a completed and final shoot. On this shoot I will end up with a final set of around 1500 images. Right now I am finishing processing a show that will hang in the Deutsches Amerikanish Zentrum in Stuttgart.
As I am sure you are aware by now, having seen enough of my inane questions that over the last two years or since Lightroom version 1.xx if I could not figure out how to do something I skipped it. So many things in Lightroom are buried and unless you have a mind like a steel trap (and think that some of you guys in the forum do) locating how to do something is not obvious.
For example, I only learned (in the last hour) that I could assign colors as a group of selections by using Shift + number. I found this in a side head in Martin Evenings Lightroom book. I still do not know how to find a way to display the color filter "selection" set in Library mode. Is there a way?
To top it off, Stuttgart Media University asked me if I would add a Lightroom module to my schedule this year. Now I have a compelling reason to learn all those missing pieces that I have created workarounds for. Hence the number of posts you have been seeing from me over the past few of weeks.
I tell my class that there are no such things as stupid questions, only questions. Now I am practicing what I have been preaching for the last gazillion years. Guys like you have been great.
My workflow is
1. I first separate all images by event. I do that at the time of import.
2. I do a fast pass rejecting all the obviously bad images
3. I do a second pass grouping the images by sub-group (speeches, people talking, performances, etc.) This is where I run out of selection methods and your key-wording could work but it would probably take too much time to establish a keyword set for a single event. Where I have more than five subgroups I set up different collection sets with one collection for each sub group. However I would like to keep a single event in one collection.
4. I then select the images to be used by color code.
5. Next I process the final images (crop develop etc) by collection.
6. Last I output the set according to client requirement.
If you have a better workflow, I am all ears.
By the way, what is your photo specialty and where are you located?
Jim

Is LAB the "native color space" for ID?

Is it correct to say that LAB is the "native color space" for InDesign? That colors specified in RGB that need to be translated into CMYK will go through LAB along the way, and vice versa?

No, LAB is not the native color space of InDesign. InDesign does not have a native color space.
However, all color conversions between color spaces is done via ACE, the Adobe Color Engine, a component of Adobe's Core Technology, using ICC color management techniques. All conversions between color spaces are made first to a connection color space and then to the target color space. LAB is pretty much what that connection color space is.
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[svn] 4143: Fixed problem with metadata in SelectionFormatTextStyles. as so that named colors work for selectionColor, unfocusedSelectionColor, and inactiveSelectionColor attributes on Gumbo components.

Revision: 4143
Author: [email protected]
Date: 2008-11-19 14:53:40 -0800 (Wed, 19 Nov 2008)
Log Message:
Fixed problem with metadata in SelectionFormatTextStyles.as so that named colors work for selectionColor, unfocusedSelectionColor, and inactiveSelectionColor attributes on Gumbo components.
Thanks, Glenn!
QE Notes: None
Doc Notes: None
Bugs: SDK-18070
Reviewer: Glenn
Ticket Links:
http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/SDK-18070
Modified Paths:
flex/sdk/trunk/frameworks/projects/flex4/src/mx/styles/metadata/SelectionFormatTextStyles .as
flex/sdk/trunk/frameworks/projects/wireframe/bundles.properties

Revision: 4143
Author: [email protected]
Date: 2008-11-19 14:53:40 -0800 (Wed, 19 Nov 2008)
Log Message:
Fixed problem with metadata in SelectionFormatTextStyles.as so that named colors work for selectionColor, unfocusedSelectionColor, and inactiveSelectionColor attributes on Gumbo components.
Thanks, Glenn!
QE Notes: None
Doc Notes: None
Bugs: SDK-18070
Reviewer: Glenn
Ticket Links:
http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/SDK-18070
Modified Paths:
flex/sdk/trunk/frameworks/projects/flex4/src/mx/styles/metadata/SelectionFormatTextStyles .as
flex/sdk/trunk/frameworks/projects/wireframe/bundles.properties

Hi - Re Keynote I'm trying to figure out how to create a music album on USB flash drive. What I want is a background picture with 'click-buttons' to play each track listed, also similar for embedded videos and photos etc. Is this possible with Keynote ?

Hi - Re Keynote I'm trying to figure out how to create a music album (as an artist) on USB flash drive, (accessible by both Mac and PC). What I want is a background picture with 'click-buttons' to play each track listed, and play in order (like a cd) - also similar for embedded videos and photos etc. This should all be on the one page.
Is this possible with Keynote, or any other software package for Mac (am using Macbook Pro) ?
Gav 88

Hi there,
Yikes, it sounds like you've been doing a lot of work on this project... Unfortunately, however, this isn't the Adobe Encore forum, but the Acrobat.com forum. While it seems like an exciting question, we're not able to address issues pertaining to other Adobe products and services. Here's a link to the Adobe Encore forum, where you're more likely to get help for this specific issue:
http://forums.adobe.com/community/encore
Sorry not to be of more specific help to you. Best of luck!
Kind regards,
Rebecca

No video for my FaceTime and photo booth,

No video for my facetime and photo booth.

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If that does not work go to iChat > Preferences > Video section and set the Bandwidth Limit to 500kbps
Mostly this tends to be about Internet Speed or what iChat thinks you have.
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Color Space for uploading

I shoot Camera Raw, in Adobe 1998 RGB color space, then upload to iPhoto 08 and make some adjustments via editing in iPhoto. If I then send the JPEG photos to email or to Phanfare.com photo sharing site, should I be converting to sRGB color space first? Or, does iPhoto convert the color space?

For printing using the Apple print service you should use sRGB - if you are happy with the display colors then no need to change the profile for e-mail and displaying only
LN

Correct export color space for wide gamut monitors.

Running a photography studio I have 4 typical scenarios of how clients or end users will see my photo work. I create and edit the photos using LR 3 on a HP 2475w (wide gamut) monitor. I'm aware that there are color shifts, but trying to figure out which export color space to use to be most consistent.
A) Wide Gamut monitor using color managed software or browser such as Firefox.
B) Wide Gamut monitor NOT using color managed software such as IE 8.
C) Standard monitor using color managed software or browser such as Firefox.
D) Standard monitor NOT using color managed software such as IE 8.
A) gives the best results and that's what I run myself. No matter the color space that I export (sRGB, aRGB, or my custom calibrated ICC) the images appear to be correct 100%
B) gives mixed results...the hosting site for my photos seems to oversaturate a bit when I view the photos in their preview size which is what my clients see, when I view the original photo in full resolution (this feature disabled for my clients to avoid them downloading full rez copies of images), then the images appears a bit dull (70%). When I try this same scenario using aRGB export, it looks better (90-95%). When I export it using my monitor profile then the photo is spot on 100% however my monitor profile shows the photo incorrectly when viewing it using the standard Windows Vista photo viewer, it appears lighter and less saturated which I guess I expect since it's not color managed.
C) On a standard monitor the photos all look the same regardless of color space export so long as I use a color managed browser such as Firefox.
D) This gives pretty much the same breakdown of results as scenario B above. At the moment, it appears that when I use my custom ICC profile which is the calibration of my monitor...I get the best web results.
However my custom ICC profile gives me the worst local results within my windows viewer and when my clients load the photos on their machines, no doubt they will look just as bad on theirs regardless of which monitor they use. So aRGB seems to be the best choice for output. Anyone else do this? It's significantly better when viewing in IE on both Wide Gamut and Standard LCD's when compared to sRGB.
I would guess that my typical client has a laptop with Windows and they will both view the photos locally and upload them on the web, so it needs to look as close to what it looks like when I'm processing it in LR and Photoshop as possible. I know that a lot of people ask questions about their photos being off because they don't understand that there's a shift between WG and non-WG monitors, but I get that there's a difference...question is which color space export has worked best for others.

I am saying that since images on the internet are with extremely few
exceptions targeted towards sRGB. It is extremely common for those images to
not contain ICC profiles even if they really are sRGB. If they do not
contain ICC profiles in the default mode in Firefox, Firefox (as well as
Safari btw, another color managed browser), will not convert to the monitor
profile but will send the image straight to the monitor. This means that on
a wide gamut display, the colors will look oversaturated. You've no doubt
seen this on your display, but perhaps you've gotten used to it. If you
enable the "1" color management mode, Firefox will translate every image to
the monitor profile. This will make the colors on your display more
realistic and more predictable (since your monitor's very specific
properties no longer interfere and the image's colors are displayed as they
really are) for many sites including many photographic ones. This is most
important on a wide gamut display and not that big of a deal on a standard
monitor, which usually is closer to sRGB.
It seems you are suggesting that for a wide-gamut display it is better to
try using your own monitor's calibration profile on everything out there,
assuming on images posted with a wider gamat it will get you more color
range while there would be nothing lost for images posted in sRGB.
Indeed. The point of color management is to make the specific
characteristics of your monitor not a factor anymore and to make sure that
you see the correct color as described in the working space (almost always
sRGB on the web). This only breaks down when the color to be displayed is
outside of the monitor's gamut. In that case the color will typically get
clipped to the monitor's gamut. The other way around, if your original is in
sRGB and your monitor is closer to adobeRGB, the file's color space is
limiting. For your monitor, you want to make the system (Firefox in this
case) assume that untagged files are in sRGB as that is what the entire
world works in and translate those to the monitor profile. When you
encounter adobeRGB or wider files (extremely rare but does happen), it will
do the right thing and translate from that color space to the monitor
profile.
Wide gamut displays are great but you have to know what you are doing. For
almost everybody, even photographers a standard gamut monitor is often a
better choice. One thing is that you should not use unmanaged browsers on
wide gamut displays as your colors will be completely out of whack even on
calibrated monitors. This limits you to Firefox and Safari. Firefox has the
secret option to enable color management for every image. Safari doesn't
have this. There is one remaining problem, which is flash content on
websites. Flash does not color manage by default and a lot of flash content
will look very garish on your wide gamut display. This includes a lot of
photographer's websites.

Converting color space for web

i shoot all my photos in adobe rgb. i would like to convert them for use on the web. i have read that they should be in sRGB color space. in photoshop i convert to sRGb color space but they still look the same as they did with adobe rgb, muddy and desaturated. can anyone help? i am getting extremely frustrated! thanks

Probably you're using a web browser that assumes monitor RGB for untagged images, and the gamut of your monitor is smaller than sRGB. So when monitor RGB is assumed, your images look desaturated.
You can get a wider gamut display. You can use a browser like Firefox with color management enabled, which assumes sRGB for untagged images. Or you can tag all your images with the sRGB profile (at a cost of 3.5k per image). In PS, you can assign your display profile after you've converted to sRGB to simulate what your browser is doing (or proof setup > monitor RGB).
In general though, don't sweat it too much. All the images you've ever viewed on the web that were prepared for sRGB have been muddy and desaturated as you're now experiencing, and it's never bothered you before. Have faith in your users' capacity for ignoring these details...
http://www.gballard.net/psd/saveforwebshift.html

Setting up color space between Aperture, Photoshop and my Epson 3880

Hi. I use Aperture to do quick fixes and Photoshop for more complex edits and printing. I have setup my export preference in Aperture to the external editor as 8 bit ProPhoto RGB and in Photoshop my color space as Prophoto RGB. I use mainly Nikon RAW files. (Epson suggests using ProPhoto RGB to get the most out of the ink). Does all this make sense? As a sort of related question I don't suppose there is a way to export RAW directly from Aperture to Photoshop using the mouse right click and edit with Photoshop option..

Yes, your setup makes sense, but the fact you're asking implies that you don't know much about colormanagement. Thus although this part of your workflow makes sense, it might well be that you're making error in the printing process for example. Get yourself a copy of the 'Real world colormanagement' by Bruce Fraser, to teach yourself all about it. Furthermore, when working in ProPhoto RGB, I'd suggest working in 16-bit instead of 8-bit, to reduce possible banding in color gradients.
By export RAW directly to Photoshop, I believe that you mean opening the RAW-file in Camera RAW? No, there is no way of doing that directly, though Aperture does have an export master option, allowing you to place a copy of the original RAW-file anywhere on your hard drive.

ICC working color space for the System?

(I posted this in another area but I did not get any replies, so I'm trying here)
Hey, any color management pros out there...
What is the ICC color space of the OS itself? Is it the calibrated monitor profile I'm using?
For example, let's say I'm working in an app. that doesn't use any color management. By default is that color space the app is using by default the ICC profile of the calibrated monitor profile?
I'm specifically wondering in regards to rendering in 3d applications, such as, Lightwave, Strata3d, etc. These apps. don't save ICC profiles with the final rendered files. Are these files essentially in the Monitor space then? This is my guess, and has proven to be so in my tests, but I want to hear what other people think/know...
thanks!
Jeff

What is the ICC color space of the OS itself? Is it
the calibrated monitor profile I'm using?
As Ned said, the OS doesn't have an ICC profile. Profiles describe the properties of image input or output devices. They tell which colour an output device will display when sent a certain RGB value, or which RGB value an input device will return when it sees a certain colour.
Colour space and profile are basically synonymous, a colour space is the range of colours a device can produce or see, as described by its ICC profile.
For example, let's say I'm working in an app. that
doesn't use any color management. By default is that
color space the app is using by default the ICC
profile of the calibrated monitor profile?
No, if the app doesn't use colour management it is oblivious to colour profiles. It will simply throw the RGB values at the output device as they are.
I'm specifically wondering in regards to rendering in
3d applications, such as, Lightwave, Strata3d, etc.
Don't know these two, so can't comment.
These apps. don't save ICC profiles with the final
rendered files. Are these files essentially in the
Monitor space then?
Strictly speaking, no. You will get whatever the monitor or printer make of the RGB values. However, most apps produce/expect RGB values that look reasonably correct on sRGB monitors, for historical reasons. Hence, even on systems without colour management (or when using apps that aren't CM aware) you can calibrate your monitor to mimick sRGB behaviour (using the on-screen menu) and get reasonable results. Most good CRT monitors come pretty close to sRGB out of the box.
Cheers
Steffen.

Separation color space for specific fonts

I Want to write a text (having special font) into a separation color space where my output device supports.
I was able to get the font name for the text using PDETextGetFont() function but i want to write those txet element into different plane (basically the separation color space which i have created) other than CMYK.
Is there any specific functions in PDFEdit_Layer to achieve that?
I tried with some of the functions like PDEColorSpaceCeate() -- for separation but i am unable to achieve my result.
Thanks for your help

You must first understand colour spaces in detail and how they are used and their affect on the PDF. The API does not help you with these things. Once you understand colour spaces, you can easily use the API to create colours in any of the 11 colour space families (well, in 10 of them, patterns are not easy). You can use DeviceN or Separation, but what makes them not too easy is that you need to understand (a) the purpose of tint transforms (b) the internal structure of PDF function dictionaries (c) how to create a function dictionary to implement the desired tint transforms.
You will not find examples of most things, but continued return to the documentation (both plug-in API and 32000-1) should usually yield results.
As you will see in 32000-1, there is no central list of spot colorants used in a PDF. The list of colorants simply comes from the colour spaces used throughout all pages, form XObjects, patterns and type 3 fonts, and you can freely add more colours. However, it is very bad practice to add new spot colorants with different properties, so a good implementation will start with an analysis of the whole file to discover if the colorant is used, and how it is defined.

Is it possible to do a GLOBAL color change for both text and graphics in ACrobat XI?

I used to do this using the Pitstop Pro plugin but now Pitstop is almost $900 and this is the only thing that I would use it for, not worth the investment
I can change text color by selecting individual text items, but I want to change all of the red text into white text
I also need to change all of the red graphics into white graphics and I can't figure out how to do that either
I have a trial version of XI on a Mac and will buy it if it can do what I am trying to do, i.e. global color changes to both text and graphics
thanks!!

I have version 6, but it is way out of date, doesn't work on my current system, I downloaded a trial version of the new one, version 12 I think, now I have to decide if I can afford to buy it, it is not cheap!
oops, sorry, I didn't read your entire message, aargh!
I'll check with them if I can upgrade from this early version, thanks for the suggestion!
(edited because I didn't read properly!)

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