Colors differ in PhotoShop and Windows Viewer

Dear members
I got a problem.. when I adjust/ photoshop a picture in PhotoShop cs3 I save it.
Then when I open it in the Windows Viewer.. the colors are different from PhotoShop. Some are lighter other darker.
When I send this to print. The colors of the Windows Viewer match the result. And the colors of PhotoShop doesn't.
I've got my screen also calibrated.
Does anyone know where the problem is?

Dave,
Really there was no offense taken. It's only that these problems are a bit more complicated than simply calibrating the monitor. Learning to understand these things takes time. For me it took many long mountain bike rides and hikes in the Santa Monica Mountains where I could clear my head enough for the light bulb of understanding to turn on.
I might have reacted a but harshly too. Really, we're all here to learn and share information and hopefully not get too confused.
Assie,
"'Trust what you see in Ps and don't worry about Viewer as it's just an approximation'
"I think this is with my system different. When i see a picture in viewer and i let it printed professionally. The colors on the printed picture are the same of the viewer.. and not the same with those in PS. "
Good, your back in the thread. In order to help you we need to know a couple of things. What is your RGB working space? What monitor do you have and how has it been calibrated - gamma, white point, luminence, calibration device, etc?
With the images you are having printed professionally, what is the data flow for the printing? What type of printer is being used and what is the lab's color management setup? Are you sending them tagged files and if so, what profile is being embedded?
Really the best way to wade through all this is one baby step at a time. First make sure that your screen is calibrated properly (this means hardware colorimeter) and your ambient lighting is correct for the luminence of your screen. Prints need to be viewed under a standardized light source. Inkjets love the lighting from Solux (solux.net). If you are going to display prints under other types of light, then it's best to make custom profiles that factor in the light source as part of the profile.
Once you have your monitor properly calibrated, you can be reasonbly sure that what you see in Ps is what is in your file. For any kind of output, you need to customize the data for the output device. Normally this is done with output profiles, and usually better results come from custom profiles. You have to know what's happening to your data at every step of the way to determine where things are going awry if you get prints that are not meeting your expectations, so tackle one thing at a time and don't move on to the next until your'e sure the last step has been done correctly or it will be difficult to pinpoint what to change.

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I just am so nervous that I am going to create something that looks great in Lightroom or Photoshop but that looks awful on the browser, or worse, on a different monitor (standard monitor) and I would have no idea that it looked bad. Or, if I send something to a printer only to get a mess back.
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I am not surprised you are confused about colour management because its a confusing subject. Luckily you own a Mac so you can get to grips with what the problems that colour management solves using the "colorSync Utility" and you will find this in Applications >> Utilities >> colorSync Utility. If you own a windows computer then I am sorry but you will be out of luck here and you should know better when you buy your next computer!! I am not sure why Apple gave us this application but it is really useful and all will help you understand Color Management.
1. Launch Applications >> Utilities >> ColorSync Utility.
2. You will see a list of "Installed ColorSync Profiles". Choose Adobe RGB 1998 which I hope you have chosen in you camera preferences.
3.You will see a 3D representation of the Adobe 1998 Colour space. This represents all the colors this colour space will hold.
4. Top left hand corner you will see a little arrow pointing down next to "Lab Plot". Click on this and a drop down menu will appear.
Choose "Hold For Comparison"
5. Now somewhere in the "Installed ColorSync Profiles" list you will find the profile for you monitor. Choose this.
6. You will now see a new colour space inside the Adobe 1998 Colour space. If you have a cheap monitor the colour space will be small
inside the Adobe 1998 profile. This means that you monitor cannot show you all the colors that are missing.
7. Now choose a printer profile say, if you use them a profile for an Epson paper or any printer profile you have and you will see another profile in the Adobe 1998 box which shows you the only colors that your printer can print. If you like choose your monitor profile then hold for comparison then the printer profile and it will clearly show the mis match between you monitor and printer.
8. Now choose SRGB and this will show you what colors a person using an average Windows monitor can see, poor people.
So this is the problem, all devises can reproduce only a certain range of colors. The adobe 1998 profile does not show all the colors our eyes can see " choose Generic Lab" profile, then "hold for comparison" then Adobe 1998 and you will see Adobe 1998 is a small profile but is a good average of our collective colour vision.
So how to solve all these missing colour problems. Well if you think of each devise, including you camera as speaking a different language from you monitor and printer then it is easy to understand that you need some sort of translator so that they all know exactly what colour is being talked bout pixel by pixel in an image. This is held in the ICC profile, but an ICC profile has o do more than this.
Say you camera can produce a specific red we will call for demo purposes "001" and your monitor cannot produce it, how do you solve this? Well it is very easy to fool our eyes. Our eyes work by comparison so if the profile maps red "001 to the nearest red that the monitor can show and then proportionally remaps all other reds to fit within the reds the monitor can show us then we actually think we are seeing a full range of reds. The problem comes if we use the wrong profile for this. The red 001 could be re mapped anywhere and could be outside what the monitor can show. Say that happens but the printer can reproduce that red 001. We would see an image on the monitor with not many reds and when we printed it we would be shocked to find reds on the print. Worst, we would see an image on the monitor without reds and would correct for this and end up with a print with heavy reds and would not be able to work out why.
So to solve this we should:
1. use the correct camera profile when we are opening "Raw" files.
2. Make sure you have the correct monitor ICC profile selected in "System Preferences" >> Displays.
3. In photoshop we should make sure that the " Edit >> colour settings " are set to Adobe 1998 for RGB.
4. If you are going to print you own photo in Photoshop go to "View >> Proof Setup >> Custom" and a box will
open. Choose the profile of your printer and paper and choose "Perceptual" for rendering intent and then " OK". If you cannot find
a profile for you printer and paper go to the printer of paper manufactures web site and download the profiles and instal
them.
5. You can now adjust the colors and contrast and photoshop will simulate how the output devise will deal with this. If you
are using an outside printing house, they will supply you with their ICC profile to download so just follow the same procedure and
choose their ICC profile and and do you colour correction.
If you have a cheap monitor you will still not get a 100% result but you will get closer. You really need a monitor that you can calibrate
regularly because generic ICC profiles are just that. They are made from the results of many monitors and so are 90% or worse accurate.
If you want to see a flag ship monitor at work go to http://www.eizo.com/global/support/db/products/software/CG223W#tab02 and go
to the bottom of the page and download the Eizo Coloredge CG223W monitor profile, instal it on your mac then open then ope
Launch Applications >> Utilities >> ColorSync Utility choose Adobe 1998 the hold and compare it with the Eizo Coloredge CG223W
profile. This is not the top of the range Eizo monitors that we use but you will see that this monitor will show most of the missing colour you monitor does not. This is actually a good tip if you are buying a monitor. Download the monitors profile and see how good it really is.
The weak link still is printing. The colors you see in RGB on a back lit RGB screen are very hard to reproduce by CYMK inks on paper. Here you really should have a profile made for your printer and chosen paper. If you don't want the expense of buying a calibrator and doing it yourself, there are on line services that will do this for you.
One final point you must remember. If you are using soft proofing in Photoshop ( "View >> Proof Setup >> Custom" as explained above), when you print you MUST choose in "Colour Handling" "Photoshop Manages Colour" and in the next step when the printing box appears
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This is a starting point really. Colour management is difficult but just try to remember that you need a translator between each step in the process to make it work so you have to make sure the correct profiles are being used by you camera, the program you use for opening the Raw photo files (Please don't use jpegs straight from the camera, but thats another subject), the correct monitor profile and output profile. If you don't check these it is like chinese whispers and your picture will be printed in Double Dutch!!.
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Paul Williams

CS5 - Color difference between Photoshop and other programs

I'm running CS5.5 student edition on a brand new Asus Q500A laptop running Windows 8. i7 processor and a UMA graphics card.
I do not have calibration software; I'm using Calibrize for the moment and colors appear fairly true when browsing after calibration.
My problem is that overall colors in Photoshop appear more saturated than those in regular browser windows, particularly reds. I set up my computer to run the Win8 photos app and my desktop with Photoshop simultaneously and the color difference was immediately noticeable. I did a quick screen grab to show the difference; the inset photo is the one viewed in Win8's photos app, and the background is the exact same photo open in Photoshop.
This is the second install of this program. I originally installed it on a Dell Inspiron with a DuoCore processor (way out of spec, I know - that's why I upgraded!) and I seem to remember having this issue then, too. I found a way to correct it, but I don't remember how I fixed it and Photoshop is no longer on that machine so I can't look over my settings.
I have not changed the color profile in Photoshop. When installed it chose North America General Purpose 2 as default and I've left it there. I experimented with the other color profiles and while the color tone in Photoshop changes, there is still a difference when the image is viewed in another program.
Any help is much appreciated - I can't trust the program to handle color properly right now and until I can, I'm dead in the water.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. When I view the image on another computer or my iPhone, the image views properly. It's my photography, from a tree in my back yard. I know how the image is supposed to look, and right now it doesn't look right in Photoshop.
On my previous machine, I am almost positive that it was saving as sRGB by default as well. I don't remember what color profile I was working in, but I know that I did not have a color profile/space error pop up on opening new images, nor do I have that problem on other images saved on that machine that I'm opening on the laptop.

Color faded in photoshop (CS3 Windows)

Hi all,
Recently when I open an image or graphic in photoshop the color all looks faded. I've checked and its not CMYK color mode - but it looks like it.
When i go to save the image though (e.g. Save for Web) the color is normal again?
Not sure what setting has changed or whether I've accidentally pressed something but I would appreciate if someone has experienced this before or knows what I've done if they could let me know.
It's quite distracting !
Thanks

Your response is much appreciated.
The response is presumptuous because we don't know what operating system you are using.
Most Windows browsers should not shift sRGB color at all BECAUSE Windows Defaults/Assigns/Applies/Assumes sRGB when files are untagged (or unmanaged), so BOTH tagged and untagged sRGB should look identical in Windows (at least in Vista).
The Mac is 'different' BECAUSE it Defaults/Assigns/Applies/Assumes MonitorRGB when files are untagged (or unmanaged) — this means OSX will display tagged and untagged sRGB differently in color-managed apps.
In Mac unmanaged applications, OSX will display tagged and untagged sRGB identically BECAUSE the same default monitor profile is being Assigned/Applied/Assumed.
In Photoshop, if we strip the profile, Photoshop (in essence) Defaults/Assigns/Applies/Assumes its Working RGB.
If colormanaged applications like Photoshop and Safari are displaying tagged sRGB with a yellow color cast — you probably have a bad monitor profile to rule out...

Bridge, Photoshop and Windows 7

After skipping Vista, I've finallly "upgraded" to Windows 7. I can't seem to get things figured out with the x86 and the 64 bit versions of Photoshop. Normally I use Lightroom and all is well there, but I've been trying to go directlly from Bridge to Photoshop and I cannot figure out how to configure things. No matter where I get the Bridge (x86 or using 64 bit), it goes to 64 bit Photoshop. Now maybe I should be using the 64 bit version, but I think I have some plugins that will work only in x86, but besides that, shouldn't I be able to use whichever one I want? I cannot figure out how.
There is an Open With but I can't figure out how to configure it. I guess I can go in and change a thousand associations with the Photoshop I want, but shouldn't I be able to choose which one I want? If so, HOW?
I also might want to use Open With other applications, but of course I can't figure out how to do that either.

I can't make any of this work. I can go to explorer, select Open With and carefully point to the x86 version of Photoshop, say make it the default and it will open the 64 bit version every time. I can specify the 32 bit version in toolbars and drag images to it just fine but I don't know how to make Bridge open the 32 bit version at all. Of course if I open in ACR, if I then want to go to PS, I also go the 64 bit version.
However, I think I found a way, or several ways, to fool it. First, the 64 bit version seems to be the Windows default. Changing this can be done in the registry:
Navigate to HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\edit:
Change the path to the version of Photoshop.exe you want to use (32 or 64 bit), and that one will be the new default whenever “Photoshop” is chosen as a file association.
I have not tried that and probably won't because I did try something that may be even better. I changed the association in Bridge of one raw file type in Preferences > File Type Associations to the 32 bit version. Now with that type if I double click I get the 32 bit version and if I right click I get a choice of "Adobe Photoshop CS5" and "Adobe Photoshop CS5 (default)". The former is teh 32 bit version and the latter is the 64 bit version. Yeah, I have a choice! Every file type I use has to be changed, but that's not so many.

Print problem - prints fine in photoshop and windows but direct from illustrator is off centre when printed.

when printing a full page image from illustrator the print is off centre and does not print the image in line with the paper. the same image prints just fine in photoshop and as a jpeg from windows own program. the positioning is zeroed in the dialouge box and the preview image shows how it should print, but it does not print as shown. please help.

clarke,
What happens if you Save a Copy as PDF, then print from Acrobat or Reader?
If that helps, you may consider trying to (find and) use a PostScript (emulatin) printer driver to your printer, if possible.

Color Managment between Photoshop and Illustrator

Hi All,
Can anyone give me some tips of how to do the color managment in both Photoshop and Illustrator? I'm using Ai CS3 and PS CS3, although I have using CMYK mode in both software and having them in same Color profile setting, when using Ai to open a PS file the color is still different from what I see in PS. I would like to know is it possible to make it looks the same?
Thanks

Imo, you should establish a rather strict
color management strategy (examples):
1. Define in Photoshop:
RGB: AdobeRGB(98)
CMYK: ISOCoated
Gray: Black Ink ISO Coated (Custom profile)
Spot: Black Ink ISO Coated
2. Distribute this profile set by Bridge
3. Convert RGB images in Photoshop to CMYK
4. Define Color space in Illustrator as CMYK
5. Open the Photoshop file or the Tiff file in
Illustrator: here it looks as expected.
Problems: the CMYK file contains an ICC-profile
which is different to the global CMYK-definition.
Now it depends on the CMS strategies, and that's
the point where I'm usually giving up.
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

Reset() of ObjectOutputStream diff in Linux and Windows

From the previous post and my test, it is better to call ObjectOutputStream oos.reset() to clean up buffer.
But I notice that it works all fine in Linux, but if the remote site is a Windows machine, if you call oos.reset(), the remote site will throw socket.reset Exception and close the socket, which is not good at all.
So I have to disable oos.reset() call to avoid remote java socket in Windows close, but I get OutOfTheMemory error after running a while, I suspect it is caused by not calling reset() and clean up buffer. So what should I do to avoid this problem?
Thanks

It sounds like you are running different versions or a buggy of the JDK.
What versions are you using?
This works fine with 1.4.2_05 (between Solaris and Windows)

Photoshop and Windows 7

I have Photoshop 4 Limited Edition that I know and works well for me on Windows XP.
Problem is my new computer is Windows 7 and the programmedisc won't load telling me there is a known problem.
But all the links to the Adobe website don't provide a suitable answer I can understand.
I cannot figure how to solve it!
Anyone got an answer?

Are you using the 32 or 64 bit version of windows 7?
Doesn't it use a 16 bit installer which won't work on the 64 bit version of windows 7?
(when i say won't work, there are ways to install old versions of adobe products, but if one is not computer savory, it can be a hassle)
Besides fedupwith this is talking about photoshop 4 LE and not the full photoshop 4 version, (photoshop 4 LE was quite limited in those days) and in my
opinion is not worth all the hoops one might need to do to get it to work on windows 7 and photoshop elements 10 is so much better than photoshop 4 LE.
There is also the possibility that fedupwith this has a hard drive bigger than 1 tb.
That being said if you are willing to walk fedupwith this through all the necessary steps, i have no problem with that.
Message was edited by: R_Kelly

Crash problem with Photoshop and Windows 7...

Hello guys, this is my first post so thanks for reading. I have a problem when I try to open a new document or one that already exists. A pop up window appears and tells me this:
It's in spanish and says: Adobe Photoshop CS4 is not working, Windows can find a solution to this problem, etc. under this message you can check the detail (I translated this to english):
Problem Event Name:     APPCRASH
Application Name:     Photoshop.exe
Application Version:     11.0.2.0
Application Timestamp: 4bf2d4f6
Fault Module Name:     nvoglv32.DLL
Fault Module Version: 8.17.12.5896
Fault Module Timestamp: 4c37909c
Exception Code:     c0000005
Exception Offset: 000a85db
OS Version:     6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID:     11274
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2:     0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3:     0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
I read in the forums that it's a problem with my grafic card driver and that I should update it. I just did, but the problem is still there. I use Adobe Master Collection CS4 a long time ago (under Windows XP plataform). Last week I upgraded to Windows 7 and issues began. Does anybody know what I should do? Thank you very much!

I did that too Chris but when I uncheck OpenGL drawing my video card is not shown and the crash dialog appears anyway. It's really dissapointing... Thanks for you help, I'll try to contact NVidia technical support.

Need help with Color Profiles between Photoshop and iPhoto

Hey guys, I'm a photographer and have always used Photoshop in comination with iPhoto. I am having great difficulty lately with color profiles randomly changing within albums of pictures. I need all of my images to be in sRGB, but some somehow end up in Adobe RGB. It seems to happen at random. Apple seems to think it's an Adobe problem. Adobe isn't sure what to do. Anybody aware of any known issues between CS5 and iPhoto using OS 10.8.4 with regard to color profiles and how to fix them?

SRiegel schrieb:
I don't know inkscape, but this article seems to indicate that is will support cmyk.
The article also says you need Scribus to then further process the SVG file.
@shaunamm You need to open the SVGin Illustrator, not place it. But I doubt that you will be able to get the effects in Illustrator.

Why are kuler colors different to Photoshop and Illustrator?

When I make some colours in kuler, I get RGB and CMYK numbers for them.
When I enter the RGB into Photoshop I get different CMYK values.
When I enter the CMYK into Illustrator, I get different RBG values.
Which do I believe??
I guess that this must be something to do with colour profiles. Can anyone advise please?
Thanks
P.S. I did ask this before in the kuler forum but that forum is very quiet .

rgreen001 wrote:
Thank you.
I'm 'happy' with the idea of colour spaces. But does anyone know what colour space kuler is working to when it translates rgb - cmyk? I can't seem to see that anywhere, or how to change it.
If you can't change it, it's worthless! You have to specify both the RGB color space and CMYK color space only after which you get the CMYK values you need. Alter either description and you'll end up with different values.

Photoshop and Windows Vista Compatibility

Will my Photoshop Elements 12 run on Windows Vista or do I have to upgrade?

60something wrote:
I'm quite new to this game so what did you mean by "Service Pack 2?"
Right click 'Computer' on your desktop, and chose Properties. Near the top of the panel that opens, you'll see Windows Vista. If it does not say Service Pack 2 beneath that, use Windows update.
Or treat yourself to a new computer. Anything would be better than something running Vista, and Photoshop would be so much nicer to use.
If you take me seriously, please ask us before committing to a particular model.

Diff between maintence and database views

pls answer now,its urgent

Hi
Database Views
Data about an application object is often distributed on several database tables. A database view provides an application-specific view on such distributed data.
Database views are defined in the ABAP Dictionary. A database view is automatically created in the underlying database when it is activated.
Application programs can access the data of a database view using the database interface. You can access the data in ABAP programs with both OPEN SQL and NATIVE SQL. However, the data is actually selected in the database. Since the join operation is executed in the database in this case, you can minimize the number of database accesses in this way. Database views implement an inner join (see Inner and Outer Join).
If the database view only contains a single table, the maintenance status can be used to determine if data records can also be inserted with the view. If the database view contains more than one table, you can only read the data.
Database views should be created if want to select logically connected data from different tables simultaneously. Selection with a database view is generally faster than access to individual tables. When selecting with views, you should also ensure that there are suitable indexes on the tables contained in the view.
Maintenance View:
Maintenance views offer easy ways to maintain complex application objects.
Data distributed on several tables often forms a logical unit, for example an application object, for the user. You want to be able to display, modify and create the data of such an application object together. Normally the user is not interested in the technical implementation of the application object, that is in the distribution of the data on several tables.
A maintenance view permits you to maintain the data of an application object together. The data is automatically distributed in the underlying database tables. The maintenance status determines which accesses to the data of the underlying tables are possible with the maintenance view.
All the tables in a maintenance view must be linked with foreign keys, that is the join conditions for maintenance views are always derived from the foreign key You cannot directly enter the join conditions as for database views.
There are some restrictions for the attributes of the foreign keys with which the tables in a maintenance view can be linked
A standardized table maintenance transaction is provided (SM30), permitting you to maintain the data from the base tables of a maintenance view together.
Maintenance mechanisms, like screens and processing programs, must be created from the view definition with the transaction Generate Table View (SE54). This makes it possible to create easy-to-use maintenance interfaces in a simple manner.
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