Colors less vibrant in Aperture 3 - Why?

I am using Lion 10.7.2 on an iMac 27" 2.7 Core i5 with the latest version of Aperture 3 as well as Photoshop CS5 -- both programs, as well as my monitor, are set to Adobe RGB (1998). My camera, Sony NEX-3 ARW is also set to shoot in the Adobe RGB (1998) color space. Here's my question:
When exporting a photo from Aperture 3 as a TIFF (8-bit) in Adobe RGB (1998) space and working on the photo in Photoshop, upon importing back into Aperture (saved the file as TIFF, not compressed in PS), the resulting reds are less vibrant. I am seeing this with all colors approaching neon; this is simply one example.
In another scenario, I imported the raw file directly into photoshop first, did my corrections, and then imported the exported TIFF directly into Aperture. The resulting file is again slightly less vibrant, with the most immediate observation noticed in the neon sign. This problem does not exist for Lightroom 3.
Adobe Photoshop CS5 exported file:
File as appears (and as appears if exported) within Aperture 3, noting the neon is less vibrant:
Why are colors overall less vibrant in Aperture? Is there a configuration issue on my system, or is there a known issue with Aperture? This is not my first time running into color problems with Aperture -- and for my work I need colors to always be spot on.

Technically, you should only need to verify that you have at least the RAW Compatibility Update 3.6:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1357
Current version is 3.7 which can be found here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1386
Note - I assume that the 3.7 would include 3.6, but am not sure.
If you already have the correct RAW support for OS X and are importing new images into a new or trial library, you might try running the 'Repair Database' option found here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3805
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