Colour Casts in Prints From Aperture

Hello,
I have read reams of material on calibration and profiling -- probably too much, because I'm more confused than I
was when I started.
This is my set up:
Nikon D300.
Mac Pro + GeForce 7300GT + Mac Cinema Display (20 inch).
Photoshop CS3 + Apple Aperture (2.1)
HP Photosmart 8250 (with HP cartridges)
This is my general workflow:
Pictures imported from camera into Aperture. Best shots are roundtripped to Photoshop, tweaked and then
re-imported back into Aperture as 16bit tiffs. A lot of these .tiffs are exported from CS3 in Lab Color Mode (I
don't know if this makes any difference -- I'm clutching at straws!)
This is my problem:
A3 prints of my shots done by a local photography shop look amazing. The colours match the colours I see on my
monitor. They're crisp and bright and everything I could wish for.
However I have tried printing A4 prints locally (from Aperture) on my printer and there are different coloured
casts that ruin the pictures.
I have tried different Aperture device profiles... including the System Managed profile & the profile for the HP
photo paper that I use and the shots have either a strong yellow cast or a strong pink cast depending upon the
profile I use.
My set-up hasn't been calibrated, and -- at this point in time -- I can't afford a calibrating device... can
anyone make any suggestions as to how I can get better results printing at home through Aperture, please?
Thank you very much!
Adam

I no longer get a colour cast.
I started with 1.5 and had some books printed these were fine. My old Canon 965i was used for printing and I got some casts adn I decided to get the B9180. Just before this I switched to Aperture 2 and now 2.1. Immediately I had colour casts and through this forum I found that I was not alone. The general view at that time was that it was a calibration issue but enough people who knew what they were talking about disproved that. The various options were to print through IPhoto, PS, PSE or some other external soutce. We all to a greater or less degree had some success.
During this time 2.1.1 came out and HP appeared to offer an updated driver.
In my case I re-installed everything, including the printer Firmware and carefully read everything that everybody had to say on the subject, thus in ColrSync I made sure that I had the same paper specified, that I specified it in soft proofing and that I specified it in the print menu and I variously set my Gamma between 1.05 and 1.2. I no longer have the cast but usualyl I have to do some tweaking and use a few sheets. Mostly this is with adjusting the Gamma.
I cannot understand teh attitude of Apple on this topic and some others whereby they have professionals dependent on their product andthey do not, as I woudl expect in a customer support oriented organisation, even acknowledge teh problem, let alone give out any information. I would be happer (if I was a pro) if I heard comforting words like 'We know about this, it seems to be caused by xxx and we are working on a solution but in the meantime try bbbb.'
The principle, in my view, should be 'You be the photographer, we will provide the tools.'

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You didn't mention any color calibration being done on your monitor. This is an essential part of any color-correct workflow. What are you using to calibrate your monitor (and your printer)?
Print profiles (for soft-proofing as well as printing) are for specific combinations of paper & printer. The nine you have are each, most likely, for a common paper (perhaps mfr'd by Canon) to be used with your printer.
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Dark Prints from Aperture

Over several years, many of us have had problems getting prints which show the colours we see on our screens. The problem has been particularly bad with Aperture, over all its versions, and has not been resolved by screen brightness adjustments, screen calibration, or adjustments before printing in the Aperture "Print" window. Many sheets of expensive print paper have been wasted.
I recently bought an Epson 3880 printer, and found this problem with other printing software, as well as with Aperture - the colours where just not right. Even when I calibrated my new printer with the paper I use, using SpyderPrint Pro, the colours were not what I hoped for; this has usually worked before, producing print profiles which allowed the production of perfectly satisfactory prints on my old Epson 1290. But not with the new printer.
So I copied the SpyderPRINT calibration charts into Aperture, printed them from Aperturte with no 'corrections', using the standard Epson settings in the Apple "Print" window, and read the colours from these prints with the SpyderPRINT spectrophotometer. The colorsynch profiles so obtained produced perfect prints. I have repeated this with my other print software, and with my other papers, and the results are so much better I felt I had to broadcast the approach - there are many out there, struggling to get what they want, and wasting lots of time and paper in the process.
So the answer is ; buy a printer calibration tool, print the calibration images out of the offending software, use these prints to obtain a software-related printing profile and all will be well.

When you select "Print" in Aperture, you get an Aperture print window with the option to select a printing profile, or to leave it "printer managed", the LATTER BEING THE DEFAULT; leave it there.
When you click on "Print" in that window, the Apple print window opens. The second option below the number of prints choice, "Clor Matching" is another place where printing profile choices can be made; to print the colour chart which is to be scanned, you choose the Epson colour controls.
With these choices you are at default level on the profile scale, and you insert the profile thus created either in the Aperture "Print" window, in which case this "Color Matching" option in the Apple "Print" window is greyed out and inoperable, or you can insert the new profile in the Colorsynch option of the"Color Matching" option of Apple "Print" window.
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I believe that I've solved this problem, with the help of the folks at Apple who handle Aperture tech support using the Aperture support ID that came with the product.
So the short answer is: Aperture print services REALLY DO REQUIRE the image to be cropped (constrained as they say) prior to the data being sent to Apple Print services.
Here is the link that describes cropping http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1993?viewlocale=en_US
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I called Apple Store support. They were stumped too as I had tried everything they recommended, including chaning billing card that I use, etc. Then they found a support document about print ordering issues and getting a white screen (which I don't get), this appears to have solved my issue.
Here is what I did. I did have to do BOTH steps. Please note that "1-Click Settings" is no longer available, so used "Express Checkout" for those steps instead and it was fine. I was able to put through a test order successfully and then cancel it. My large order is now uploading.
Delete the NetServices Keychain item:
Quit Aperture if it is open.
In the Finder, choose Go > Utilities.
Double-click the Keychain Access application in the Utilities folder.
Click Passwords in the Category list on the left side of the window.
Click the NetServices item in the main window and press the delete key to remove it.
Open Aperture and test.
If the above steps do not resolve the issue:
Quit Aperture.
Go to the Apple Online Store.
From the Account menu to the left of the Cart icon, choose "1-Click Settings."
Log in to your account with your Apple ID and password.
Enable 1-Click for your account.
If 1-Click is already enabled, choose Account Information from the Accounts dropdown.
Change the password for your account.
Open Aperture and test.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3464?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
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