Colour profiles in Photoshop CS4

I'm confused about colour profiles in CS4. I have set colour settings to sRGB and view-proof set up to sRGB as that's what my printing service work with. My Nikon D90 shoots RAW and I've set imported images to keep the sRGB colour profile from the camera. Yet in metadata I'm seeing colour mode RGB and colour profile untagged. What's wrong and how do I fix it?

Thankyou Noel. I can now save as individual photos in sRGB, but I still don't understand why they are coming through as RGB or how to bulk change that. Also, colour mode is still in RGB and I confess I don't know how that affects images or how to change it. Any advice please?
Chris

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Colour Profile Bug in CS4 32 bpc Mode?

This has been confirmed on both Mac and PC by different users
(this topic was confirmed on another list before posting here).
One may be working on an image that has a different colour profile
than set as default in colour settings. For example, colour settings
has Adobe RGB while the current document is in ProPhoto RGB. If the
ProPhoto RGB (16 bpc) file is taken to 32 bpc mode, the status message
reports that the file is in a modified linear space based on the input
profile. One may then perform USM, for example and then return to 16
bpc or 8 bpc mode.
Here is the bug: Once the ProPhoto RGB file is returned to 16 or 8
bpc, it now has the working RGB space tagged of Adobe RGB, rather than
the original ProPhoto RGB as input before 32 bpc conversion. This is
not just a tagging issue, the numbers have been converted to working
RGB rather than the input ICC that was tagged to the image prior to
entering 32 bpc mode.
ICC tagged image operations have been divorced from colour settings
since version 6, the document can reside in a space that is
independent of colour settings. I can't recall other operations that
change the files colour space and tag without user intention.
If using 32 bpc edits, to preserve the input space, one either has to
change their colour settings to match the document or convert the
document to working RGB.
So why this reversion to working RGB and not the document RGB - bug or
design feature/limitation? Did CS3 work this way, is it only my
version of CS4?
I have searched the help notes, this forum and other Adobe support docs,
however I could not find this issue documented.
Sincerely,
Stephen Marsh

Can anyone post a supporting argument for the current behaviour (design or bug). While in 32 bpc Photoshop "knows" what the original profile is (it is listed as being in a linear state), while on default conversion to lower bit depth the data is converted to working RGB, rather than the document RGB prior to conversion (if different to working RGB). Am I missing something - is this a good thing, should this be behaviour be changed?
OK, topic drift it is!
Buko/progress, it is not so much bit depth in this case, it is gamma encoding - or lack thereof. 32 bpc mode processes in linear gamma, which can have an effect on some operations for certain receptive image content (tonal moves, USM, interpolation etc).
As one example, some links to linear resampling can be found in the comments at this blog:
http://forensicphotoshop.blogspot.com/2008/11/resize-smaller-part-2.html
I prefer the 32 bpc route to linear processing rather than the alternative, which is 16 bpc and a hacked custom RGB profile set to gamma 1.0.
I don't like linear USM for output sharpening (nasty dark halo artifacts). However, for subtle capture/acquisition sharpening linear USM may be preferred for certain images. I generally sharpen with blend if sliders limiting the intensity of the light halo, which comes close to one aspect of linear sharpening (light halo reduction). This can also be achieved by blending the USM in two separate layers, set to darken and lighten blending with reduced opacity.
While on USM and gamma, there are some L* based RGB working spaces such as L*RGB or the new ECI RGB which behave the same way as Lab mode Lightness channel sharpening (when set to Luminosity blend). As the response of the Lightness channel is different to linear gamma and standard gamma encoded spaces, for some image content one may be preferred over the other as the processing space.
I would still like to explore the original topic/post before submitting a bug report. How do you think things should work?
Regards,
Stephen Marsh

Colour differences in Photoshop CS4 and Flash CS4 - help!

Hi,
I've been having problems for a while now when working with Photoshop and Flash, so now I will try to find an answer to my problem.
The thing is, when I try to take designs from Photoshop to Flash, the colours are changing/looking wrong. See my attached screenshot below.
The document in the upper part of the screenshot, is the Photoshop document. There is a blue gradient in the image and the left color of the gradient is RGB: 0/90/132 and the right color is RGB: 0/131/191.
The document in the lower part of the screenshot, is the Flash document. Here I have used exactly the same RGB colours to achieve the same blue gradient background. But as you can see on my screen, the colours look totally different. The colours in the Photoshop document looks clearer/darker.
How can I solve this problem and get the colours to look the same in Photoshop and Flash, and why do I even have this problem?
Kindly asking for help,
/Erik

No one told me to use Monitor profile, I think it was default. I have
no knowledge about calibration of a monitor, but since it's a nice
Apple monitor i figured I wouldn't need to calibrate it.
When I open the file in Photoshop, Photoshop asks me whether to use
the embedded profile (sRGB in this case) or the working space profile.
And since I always use the emedded profile, I didn't think that it
would make any difference? The problem is still that I don't know any
way to set color handling in Flash, and the colors look all different
from Photoshop. What should I do?
24 aug 2009 kl. 19.48 skrev Buko.:

Problems with print and colour profiles etc in CS4

This is driving me round the twist. until recently all was fine, but lately everything seems to have got screwed up. I am trying to print images produced in Corel painter, which have been placed etc into an .ai artboard. (CS4)
No problems until recently, but now there seems nothing I can do to make it print accurately. There are so many colour and print profile choices available, I don't know which to pick as there doesn't seem to be a default.
The screen image adjusts to any profile or colour management settings I change, but the actual print image never bares any relation to that screen image.
Work I have printed previously,( and have not adjusted settings for )without any problems at all.. are now printing inaccurately.
I'm using a Canon MP640 inkjet printer by the way.
The same is true with printing from PS and any other application.
I haven't made colour settings through Bridge for all adobe apps' as none of them so far seem to be accurate.
Even if I saave an image to pdf or jpeg, and print from preview, it still comes out with the colours badly changed.
Please, please help.. I can't work this out and I have got to print!!!

willspring,
Just to make sure: As I understand it, things worked in CS4, not only in earlier versions.
To reset settings in Illy, you may Move the folder, but it may not solve the issue (the simpler but less thorough resetting being to Ctrl+Alt+Shift/Cmd+Option+Shift during startup).
Have you made any changes, such as printer driver or whatever, between success and failure?

Photoshop colour profiles and Aperture

The local lab only has Photoshop colour profiles, nothing for Aperture. Any way to utilize these in Aperture?
They recommend their PS RGB profile. If I can't utilize it, I can get an image that is closer to my screen display, if I onscreen proofed using Aperture's generic RGB or sRGB modes. My last print job did not utilize any onscreen proofing beforehand and it shows -- way too blue in the print. Onscreen proofing using either of these RGB modes gets me closer in colour balance to the last print job, but contrast and brightness is still an issue (print is darker and flatter).
Any way to work with these profiles to produce my own custom one, based on a series of test prints?

A colour profile is a colour profile. Photoshop is just an app that uses them - there's no such thing as a PS-specific colour profile.
Copy the profile into either ~/Library/ColorSync/Profiles (specific to that user) or /Library/ColorSync/Profiles (all users) and it should appear in the lists for screen proofing and output profiles in Aperture.
Ian

How do I Fix Messed up Colour Profiles

I've somehow managed to completely mess up my colour profiles in Photoshop CS5. What a total Gormlops I am. Can anyone help me with these 2 related problems?
1 - ACR displays colours from RAW files as lifeless and dull compared to JPEG. I've searched countless forums and I'm lead to understand that RAW files don't include the 'in-camera' processing that we see on the JPEGS. What I don't understand is that ACR used to display the colours on my RAW files exactly like it did with JPEG files so although I understand the difference in the way ACR handles RAW vs JPEG why has this only become noticable in the last few months? I've had this installation of CS5 for almost 2 years and the problem crept in only recently. How do I fix this?
2 - Proof Colours Confusion
I mostly work on the web and rarely need to print. Round about the same time the above problem reared it's ugly head I also started having issues with how many graphics colours looked in CS5. I realized that half of the time I was working with 'Proof Colours' switched off which made my colours really intense (something to do with gamma).
I checked my 'Proof Setup' and switched it to Internet sRGB seeing as I mostly work with web graphics and photos. I then hit Ctrl+Y to switch on Proof Colours and now I see the colours as they really are.
My question for this is twofold - Am I correct to be working in sRGB and is there ar way to have 'Proof Colours' always switched on so that I only EVER see the 'actual' colours that others will see when I publish my files to the web?
I can't help thinking that these two issues arose at the same time and are linked. I tried installing a demo of CS6 in the hopes it would set me back to where I used to be but alas nothing changed.
Thanks in advance.

Try posting in the Adobe Camera Raw forum:
http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw?view=discussions
You might want to do a forum search there before posting, though. This comes up repeatedly and has been discussed ad nauseam there.
In a nutshell ACR is not designed to emulate the in-camera JPEGs at all.

Colour profiles within PS are off for one monitor only?

Hi guys,
I'm having a very strange issue with colour management in Photoshop CS2 currently.
Photoshop seems to be calibrating all documents in a strange way on only *one* monitor. If I drag the file across to the other monitor the colour is completely different.
Of course it sounds like my monitors being off, however when dragging the file across monitors Photoshop slowly updates the colours for the next monitor. You can see it display the wrong colour at first, then correct it (hopefully that makes sense).
Another symptom of it is when I go to 'save for web'. Here, the colours revert to what I believe are correct.
b It's worth noting that this has only started to happen since some Windows updates. One being an option update from Dell for my monitor - I can't seem to find any information about it though!
My tester that I've been using is a plain white to black gradient. What I'm seeing is a lot of cyan in the middle of the gradient. I've saved off an example:
http://2dforever.com/photoshop.png
As you can see, all the greys are very green, but if you look at the gradient tool in the toolbar itself, the grey appears fine.
I'm unsure how I can adjust the colour profile from Photoshop for one monitor - am I missing something really obvious here?
Just to note: I'm on Win Xp SP2, Photoshop CS2, and I've cleared the preferences.

Since you only mention Photoshop as having a problem, this is almost
certainly, as you suspect, a monitor profile config problem.
Color profiles for individual monitors are configured in
Start>Settings>Control Panel>Display>Settings>(Advanced Button)>Color
Management.
In Settings, click on the monitor whose profile you want to verify before
clicking on the "Advanced..." button. I would start by adding and
defaulting the profile for the monitor that is causing problems.
The Microsoft XP color control panel applet makes setup easier, though it
is not really necessary. If the link below fails, google for keywords
Microsoft XP color control panel applet.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1e33dca0-7721-43ca-9174-7f8d429fb b9e&displaylang=en

Colour Profile / Farbprofil

Problem with getting colour profile in bridge cs4 (windows).
i put the profile ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc in the folder user name/appdata/roaming/adobe/colo/settings. then i want to choose this in bridge to use it in all my cs4-applications but the profile doesn't show up in the box strg+shift+k. when klicking on "show saved profils" the profile is there but it doesn't show up on the list where i can choose the profiles.
any ideas??

Shouldn't it be in C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color ?

Trouble with photoshop(cs4) manages colours

Hello there. I have callibrated my printer, and have callibrated my monitor monthly over the three months since I purchased my Color Munki. I have set up a printer profile that I want to use. I have CS4 and using a "two up view" for soft- proofing, the copy to be printed (on screen) was at first rather dull with a green cast and with blacks greyed off compared to the master copy and very difficult to match the master even closely. The prints were passable after a lot of fiddling but not as good as I had hoped even compared to prints I produced before I used my own printer- paper profile .. However recently the prints have got even worse. They are really, really dark when printed even though they dont look so on screen.They also still have the colour cast etc. I have been selecting "no color management' in the printer dialogue along with the printer- paper profile. I have had to resort to using "Printer manages colour" and a generic printer paper profile again as I used to do. I am getting far better prints with good colour matches this way so it would seem that there is nothing wrong with the printer. I have concluded that it must be a problem with the colour management in my CS4 Photoshop. I have an Epson Stylus photo 1410 printer, a Dell flat screen U2410 monitor and a nikon D90 camera. I feel so disappointed after forking out for the Color Munki etc hoping to get really top class prints. .I would really appreciate some advice.

You have to make sure you have configured everything to work together - i.e., to make the printer driver expect that Photoshop is going to do the color transform.
However, there were some posts last year implying people with Epson printers were seeing "double profiling" - meaning somehow two color transforms were being invoked, and they couldn't turn the behavior off. I think at least some people just broke down and bought new printers, as Epson apparently would not fix the drivers to work properly with Photoshop CS5.
I don't know whether yours might fall under the same issue, but you could double check with Epson.com and see if there have been any newer drivers released for your model.
-Noel

Illustrator CS4 uninstall colour profile rollback error

I've been using the same version of CS4 since July with no problem until today. I clicked on my AI desktop shortcut to be presented with a new licence agreement popup. Clicked agree and window disappeared but Illustrator didn't start up.
I read some other forum discussions on this subject which suggested uninstall - re-install - reboot. I uninstalled all of CS4 but when I tried to re-install it comes up with an error message.
Adobe support advisor says:
Issue no: id18308
Error UninstallColorProfilesRollback occurs preventing the installer from updating existing color profiles when installing the Adobe Creative Suite 4 product
I have since run through the suggest actions (deleting colour profiles and reassigning permissions) three times.
When I get to point 9 (Click OK in the "Advanced Security Settings" dialog box. Windows will now reset the permissions for each child object to correspond with its parent) I get the following permissions message "Registry editor could not set security in the key selected, or some of it's sub keys".
Is this why it's not working?
Would this also be why my pdf writer doesn't work?
Please help!!!
Edit: It seems Photoshop won't work either I need to uninstall and reinstall...great news as it was pre loaded.
Great work adobe!!

I fixed it eventually...sorry I meant to post a message.
I had to run clean script for CS3 and CS4 to completely remove all the components preventing the install.
http://www.adobe.com/support/contact/cs3clean.html
http://www.adobe.com/support/contact/cs4clean.html
I had little faith, but it worked. Hope this fixes it for you too.

Colours do not Print correctly with Photoshop CS4

I am using the Adobe Master Collection CS4, and use an Epson RX650 printer, but for the life of me I cannot get Photoshop to print what is on the screen.
The prints are dark, and no where near the ones on the screen.
I am using genuine Epson Ink, and Premium glossy paper, so as to remove this issue, is this a case of my screen needing to be calibrated?
I have considered buying the Spyde Studio calibrator to ensure that this is correct, (do I need to?) and I have read as much as I can about setting up Adobe to manage the print settings and colours, but still no luck.
My current settings are as follows
In Adobe Bridge, my creative suit color settings are set to Europe General Purpose 2
The in Adobe Photoshop (version 11.0.1) I am selecting under colour management, Document Adoby RGB (1998), Photoshop handles colours, Printer profile is Epson sRGB Colour Space, Rendering intent is Relative Colourimetric, and I have ticked the following boxs, Blackpoint compensation, Match print colours, Gamut warning and Show paper white.
Can some one please advise me?

I too have had problems with prints being much darker than what I see on screen.
Below is my solution which works fairly well for color prints--not as well for grayscale.
I used the huey Pro monitor calibrator purchased only a couple of months back to make my prints look right and be consistent.
1.       Use the huey to calibrate the monitor
2.       From Photoshop (CS4), I select the ICC profile for my Epson 2200 printer and the paper being used. I then set up soft proofing in Photoshop (in the View menu) which allows me to see on screen how the image will be printed. Usually it is a bit darker than I like.
3.       so I adjust the brightness such that in the soft proof view, the image appears as I wish.
4.       There is more yet to do in that you have to set various settings for the print process like letting Photoshop manage colors, setting no color adjustment for the printer. And a few more minor settings regarding the printer
By the way, there is something wrong with the print driver for the 2200 in XP so that when you come to the last screen before printing, the print preview has a very red tint. You simply ignore that since the print has none of that. This is in XP. Possibly Windows Vista has a driver that doesn’t do that.
This has given me good quality consistent prints the first time they are printed—at least on the few I have done since getting the huey

Incorrectly coloured text when saving to .PDF using Photoshop CS4

I am using Photoshop CS4 on Windows 7, and have designed my own business card.
When saving to .PDF to send to printers I am finding that a small section of text is saving with a white section to it, for example out of the 3 lines of text on the card the bottom left hand corner of the & sign I have in the design is coming out white, the rest of the text is a golden colour.
I have tried searching on this forum and on google but can't seem to find anyone with my actual problem so unsure where to go.
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks

Mylenium wrote:
Well, you could change the native text color instead of using layer styles, could you not?
Mylenium
Or make the Type and Hyphen layers into a single Smart Object and clip a yellow layer to it.

Automatically convert images to RGB Colour Profile when opened in Photoshop...

Hi there,
I have just moved over to Photoshop CS6 from Elements 10. One thing I can't work out how to do is to have PS automatically convert opened files to RGB, exactly like PSE does. Is this possible?
Many Thanks

Basically the only way to convert them is by manually changing the colour profile?
To my knowledge, yes.
I'm sure you can write a script that will do that automatically, but I don't script. You can post in the PS scripting forum. Bright and helpful people there. I'm sure someone there can set you up and walk you through how to install "a convert CMYK to working RGB upon open" script.
http://forums.adobe.com/community/photoshop/photoshop_scripting

*very* strange Photoshop CS4 troubles

Hello,
I'm having 2 very odd problems with Photoshop CS4 I'm hoping someone here can shed some light on. I have been using PS since the early '90s and have never seen anything like these. I don't know if they are linked or if it's just coincidence. I have installed the most recent update (11.0.2) and the problems remain.
The first began about two weeks ago. Starting about 1/4th the screen width (1920) from the left to the left edge red becomes desaturated so at the left edge it appears orange. Very annoying. I use a Quadro FX 1800 video card connected to two Dell 2408 WFP displays via DisplayPort and I have the exact same problem on both displays. I have installed the newest hardware drivers, recalibrated my displays, etc., nothing fixes it. Today I saved a red swatch as a PNG and in both Picasa PhotoViewer and MS PictureViewer there is no shift in colour across either screen.
If I set the colour swatch in the tool palette to r=255,g=0,b=0 it appears orange if it's on the left side of the photoshop window. Move it to the right and it turns red. This is the kicker... If I leave it on the left and move the whole photoshop window to the right it turns red!!! perplexed.
Problem two is another mystery and it just started today. Frequently, and more so over the past week, I copy a colour channel from one image and past it into a channel of a newly created image. It's never made a difference if I was copying a colour channel to a greyscale channel, vice versa or colour to colour. It's always worked fine. Today however I can no longer copy a channel from one image and paste it to a channel in another with one exception. I can paste a colour channel to the alpha channel in a new image. Totally useless to me. Copying layers from one image to another is no problem.
I'm really stumped with these and though the first problem is a nuisance (when I look at a colour on the screen I also look at it's numbers so I'm already a skeptic) the second is a show stopper. I would love to hear what people think of these.
jt

Interesting problem...
I'm assuming the orange looking window in Photoshop changes to red all at once when you move it, not gradually.
It sounds just as though a wide-gamut color profile is somehow being applied to just the left part of the screen, similar to what you might see if you had a small wide profile monitor on the left and another sRGB-like monitor on the right and the desktop spanning both. Do your nVidia video drivers allow you to choose settings as though you have dual monitors? Do they offer a monitor "identify" function, or the ability to configure "dual-link" DVI? I believe that's the area in which you should look, and see if you can reset them to be configured for one monitor only.
Out of curiosity, what happens if you go into the Windows 7 Color Management dialog and uncheck the [ ] Use my settings for this device box entirely? Do you find your color again becomes consistent when an image is moved from one location to the other on the screen? Or is just the right side affected.
The Windows 7 image "Preview" viewer (e.g., right-click a .jpg image in Explorer and choose "Preview") is color-managed, by the way. It will even apply a profile to part of its image (i.e., it'll do the right thing if dragged so that it is viewable on two differently calibrated monitors), so if I'm right about the system thinking you have two monitors in one, you may be able to see the exact vertical position where the profile change occurs. It should also allow you to determine whether the problem is associated with Photoshop or on your system in general.
Consider this Windows Preview viewer run as noted above across the divide between an intentionally misconfigured monitor (with wide gamut profile) and a correctly configured one. Look familiar?
-Noel

Photoshop CS4 gamma is wrong

I've been using Lightroom and PS CS3 for a couple of years with no problems.
I've just updated to CS4 and now when I send a photo from LR to PS it always looks too light. I find to get LR and PS looking similar I have to apply an exposure adjustment mask with a gamma correct of 0.86 in PS??
I'm using;
Vista Ultimate 32bit
Photoshop CS4 v11.0.1
Lightroom v2.3
Camera Raw 5.3
Nvidia 9600GT (1GB memory)
My monitors are calibrated and profiled using GretagMacBeth Profile maker 5.05 and an Eye One Pro, the profiles have been applied as system profiles so Vista loads them correctly.
This issue has only come into being since installing CS4. Has anyone else seen this and if so do you have a fix?
Regards
James

Thanks for the reply. I'd love to post a screen grab but I can't work out how to post an image?? I'm sure it's something that's really easy but I can't see how to! :( Am I missing an obvious "insert image" button somewhere?
A text overview of my settings from Photoshop;
WORKING SPACES
RGB - ProPhoto RGB
CMYK - Coated FOGRA27 (ISO 12647-2:2004)
Gray - Dot Gain 15%
Spot - Dot Gain 15%
COLOR MANAGEMENT POLICIES
RGB/CMYK/Gray - Preserve Embedded Profiles
Ask when opening, pasting or when missing
CONVERSION OPTIONS
Engine - Adobe (ACE)
Intent - Perceptual
Yes to 'Use Blackpoint Compensation', 'Use Dither (8-bit/channel images)' and 'Compensate for Scene-referred Profiles'
ADVANCED CONTROLS
No to 'Desaturate Monitor Colours' and 'Blend RGB Colours Using Gamma'
Thanks again for any help you can offer.
James

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