Combined raw (nef) and jpegs

By way of introduction, as I am new here, I am a professional photographer in Southampton, England. I shoot just about most things but especially music and other stock, combined with weddings.
I have shot a job using combined raw and jpegs on one card and now want to separate the raw nef from the jpeg version. Is there any way to do this in my Aperture library?
Thanks!
Gerry

Gerry,
One way this works when you have captured from the card or camera, is that the JPEG is not really seen as a separate thumbnail, but is available when you right click or control-click on an image and choose New Version from JPEG Master. Once any are visible, they can be sorted on file size.
One process is nicely described at:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=10504679&#10504679
Ernie
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You assume that I speak and write Dutch.
My apologies to all of you who don't/cannot read/understand Dutch. The following is in Dutch and not Double Dutch.
It explains in some detail how to setup a workflow in Automator for separating RAW and JPEG files and importing the result in Aperture.
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