Comments about Aperture and DNG

I bought a copy of Aperture a while ago and recently purchased a computer capable of running it. So now that I am becoming acquainted with it I have some comments for Apple:
• I am amazed by the flexibility of the interface, and at the same time surprised by what has NOT been provided for.
—for example: in a dual monitor setup I can't dedicate one for full screen viewing of the selected image in every mode with all the normal panels for adjustments, metadata, projects, importing, thumbnails, etc on the second monitor. And what display customization is available is not sticky—it keeps reverting back to some default!
• Image display quality is superb, better than any of the Adobe products (including LightRoom) or any of the raw converters I have used (several). If print quality is as good it will be a significant advantage for Aperture.
• I am using OS 10.49 and A 1.53, yet I am still having problems with correct display of layered 16 bit photoshop files. Some do display correctly, but many are distorted and scrambled, and some display only an alpha channel.
• Last, and this will end my relationship with Aperture for now and probably forever, is a lack of universal support for DNG files (current support for DNG is restricted to proprietary RAW formats Aperture does support). What on earth is Apple thinking? The whole point of DNG is to remove the need for proprietary support by providing a universal open format. Aperture does not support my current camera. While that is not a surprise to me, the lack of universal support for DNG is.
I believe this must be a marketing decision, and a bad one at that. Apple needs to get a grip: Adobe owns this market. Aperture is a weak and marginal player. If Apple insists on playing this kind of game they will shoot themselves in the foot—and probably already have.
I am aware of some workarounds for specific cameras including mine, but the real issue is the lack of universal support for DNG. Without it Aperture, whatever its other virtues, is sunk. A pro would be a fool to make Aperture the center of their workflow if they were not confident of some universal means of working with raw files from whatever camera or back they might use in the future. Without this universal support Apple basically has veto power over what hardware I might choose in the future. This is a completely untenable position for me, and I would bet for most pros.
Too bad. Aperture shows much potential otherwise.
Mark Muse
MacPro Intel, dual G4 silverdoors, G3 iBook, etc. Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Aperture only supports DNG from cameras that it supports the RAW file from, so your Panasonic DNGs are not supported. What you are seeing is simply the embedded JPEG that flicks on until Aperture realizes it is not a supported file.

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I shoot a lot of RAW images and some of them on a camera that is not currently supported by Aperture (Panasonic DMC FZ8). When I convert those RAW images to DNG, Aperture displays them perfectly in the import preview. When I import them to a project, Aperture displays them for a few seconds. Then they disappear only to be replaced by the usual blank red image placeholder and the message "Unsupported Image Format". If the program can display these images for 5 or 10 seconds why not permanently?
Anyone else seeing this? If so is there a way to manage these images in Aperture? I like the program, but it's difficult using one app for RAW images and another for the rest. Any news (rumors) as to when Apple may be updating the supported camera list?
Thanks
Joe

Aperture only supports DNG from cameras that it supports the RAW file from, so your Panasonic DNGs are not supported. What you are seeing is simply the embedded JPEG that flicks on until Aperture realizes it is not a supported file.

Question about Aperture and NEF...NEF conversion to match embedded jpeg

I just bought a D3 and will be getting Aperture soon. I understand that Aperture will not utilize the in camera settings in a NEF file (white balance, vivid and saturation, etc), and that the Nikon software will utilize the camera settings in the NEF file during the conversion process. I also understand that the NEF file has an embedded JPEG for thumbnail and preview, and this embedded JPEG is processed in the camera using the in camera settings. So, if Aperture was able to automatically compare the embedded JPEG to the raw NEF image, it could then create, or reverse engineer the conversion settings to match all of the in camera settings. Maybe this has been talked about before, I don't know. Does anyone else have and idea about this? Thanks
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Oh..OK I'm glad there's been talk about this. Maybe this would be a cool feature for Apple to put into future Aperture technology.
-e

Facebook comments in Aperture 3?

I recall, i think back when i used iPhoto, that i could view comments that Facebook users made on pictures I posted from iPhoto to Facebook. Aperture doesn't seem to have this functionality. Is it hiding in there somewhere?
Cheers,
Jim

Great! Thanks Gawky! Makes perfect sense but was a bit harder to find than in iPhoto. Makes sense I guess because it's a more 'serious' tool but can't help but think it would be popular if a) was easier to find and b) you could make comments within Aperture and have them publish to FB without having to go to the browser.
Cheers,
Jim

About Vault and a simple copy of Aperture Library

I have a Vault in an external HD and my Aperture Library in another external HD. I have observed when I open Aperture and forgot to turn the external HD on that I have first to turn it on and re-write the route in Preferences.
My question is: If I have a copy of my Library instead a Vault and in case of losing the information that I have in the main HD I simply changed the route selecting the second HD. Is it the same?
Regards.
Guillermo

I just bought a new MBP and I'm looking for some clarification about the library/vault when using more than one Mac with aperture. I don't always want to be stuck carrying an external HD around with my laptop. Will the following thought process work....I backup my library on my mac pro to a vault on an external HD then transfer that vault to my new MBP. If I'm on the road and make changes to the library on the MBP I would need to sync with the vault on the external HD and then sync the external HD with the library on my Mac Pro desktop to maintain identical libraries, correct? I was thinking that I would need to do this to maintain multiple copies of my library but also to be able to do final editing with my desktop and cinema display. I guess I could also just connect my cinema display to my MBP and use the 17" & cinema displays for final editing.
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Thank you for your prompt reply. I have bought 1 MacbookPor 17, 1 Macbook air, 1 MacbookPro 15 , 2 ipads, 3 iphones, and this iMac27 and 2 of iMAC24 or 20 not sure   but I do not recall ever doing what you are telling me in your reply.   When you get a extended car warranty, you don't   sign up for it.. it is just there and is included in the sale.   You don't buy this warranty to use it.. You buy it, in case something happens.   Here a perfect iMAC with minimum 100 hour useage has a dead drive. That is not normal and I should not have to even be requesting anything since most MFG offer a 3-5 year warranty on their disc drives and I believe that is probably passed on to Apple regardless if an extended warranty is purchased or not.   Customer service dictates a more flexible approach to make sure the lifetime value of a customer is not lost due to some misunderstanding.
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Newbie: Change in Approach PEFs and DNGs?

Waiting on my new MacBook and Aperture 2, but am reading furiously. Am laying out plans for a (hopefully) orderly transition from PC (using ACDSee Pro for workflow and file cataloging) to Mac and Aperture. Would appreciate comments on my planned approach, but first some background.
Here's what I do now: I shoot in RAW (PEF), then convert to DNG using Adobe's converter. I do nothing with PEFs, but do save them. I do editing from DNGs and convert to JPGs when I want to share.
PC file structure: I put photos files in top level folders (PEFs, DNGs, JPGs). Within these file type folders I have yearly and then monthly folders. This to facilitate DVD archiving (only have to burn latest photo folders, not subject oriented folders with mixed dates). I find images I want using categories and keywords in ACDSee. Works well for me.
By the way, I'm not taking tons of photos. I have about 30GB of files and that includes the same photos in PEF and DNG, then JPGs of the ones I've wanted to share. My MacBook will have a 500GB drive, so I can keep all my photos (probably for quite some time) resident on my HDD (current HDD contains a total of ~150GB including OS).
As I'm learning about Aperture, it seems I have a lot of redundancy I don't need. So here's what I'm thinking.
1-Planned backup regimen: a) use Time Machine to do routine backups of my HDD to attached external HDD; b) use online backup service to routinely backup all data online; c) given a) and b), I think I'll stop with the DVD archves except for PEF storage. Once I get a DVD's worth of PEFs in a folder will burn and delete from HDD (will not manage PEFs in Aperture).
2- Am undecided on whether or not to manage masters within Aperture or as referenced masters. What are Pros/Cons of referenced masters given I have plenty of HDD space to play with (i.e., all referenced files will be resident on drive)?
3- Aperture structure will be: years as folders, months as projects, albums within months.
4- Question: how to handle/reduce all the redundancy in my old system as I import? I print from my DNGs as ACDSee embedded my edits in them. Most JPGs are exact copies of adjusted DNGs, but some are quite derivative (e.g., processed IRs and some layered photos). I'm thinking I should ONLY import as masters DNGs and those JPGs that are highly processed derivatives of the DNGs and discard the JPGs that are simple copies. It would be easy enough to export those should I need them again.
Well that went longer than I'd planned. Thanks for bearing with me and I'll appreciate any experienced advice/comments anyone is willing to give.
Thanks

Closing this thread as no one responded with their approaches or suggestions.

Aperture and colorchecker passport from X-rite

the colorchecker passport is a tool to make color corrections by camera profiles.
(http://www.xritephoto.com/phproductoverview.aspx?id=1257&tab=videos)
nice program to get my color workflow better accept i use aperture and.. that just doesn't work some how. even adobe's lightroom got a plugin for this beautiful thing but aperture doesn't give any options to use a camera profile. Unbelievable because this is so important if you're doing commercial photography.
I hope some one can help me with my issue because i dont want to leave aperture and work with lightroom...

Just one other comment about this kind of workflow in general.
While absolutely accurate color rendition and absolutely neutral WB can have their uses they are few and far between. Virtually every single commercial image ever viewed has nowhere near "accurate" color or WB. In fact the whole demo video itself is shot so freaking warm it's actually funny. Not only is the video shot warm but just about everything done, from the time of day it was shot to the use of gold reflectors is done to achieve warmth of color while the guy talks on and on and on about how the product helps you achieve accurate color - that's hilarious. Why would you ever go through the trouble to get the light and color so warm just to neutralize it out. His video shooter/processor/editor didn't think it was such a good idea to neutralize it - in fact the video guys actually cranked it up. Really funny stuff. Hmmm what happens when you shoot when the sun is really really warm and you use a gold reflector and a neutral WB target to adjust your WB? Answer = gold/warmth goes away - freaking brilliant. Hmmm maybe he should talk about how the video guys just set the WB to 5500 or even higher temp and captured all the wrong but warm color.
RB
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10.9.5 with camera raw 5.07 not showing .RW2 and DNG but showing .CR2 previews in finder

Even with the latest OS and latest camera raw, only my Canon raw image files display proper previews in the finder, and open properly with iPhoto and Photoshop. .RW2 and .DNG files will not show previews or open with iPhoto, and .RW2 files won't even open in Photoshop without being converted to DNG. I've combed the support community questions for over a year now, am tech support oriented, and am ready to throw in the towel. I've had this same problem with previous system versions and camera raw versions, so I know the solution lies with neither of the two.

I'm having exactly the same issue and I posted on Adobe's site and dpreview and StackExchange but nobody has the final answer. I can see thumbnail previews in finder with ALL my various Raw files (Olympus OMD EM1, Panasonic GH2 and GH3, and Nikon D5300) just fine but when I use the convert to DNG feature in Lightroom (latest version since I'm on the CC subscription), only the Nikon DNG files display a preview thumb in finder and neither the Oly or Panny DNG files display. The closest I got to an explanation is that, since the m4/3 cameras do their profiling in camera and Adobe doesn't have a profile for them, some of the info isn't converted into the DNG in those systems. The article I read about it was really about Aperture not being able to read the Adobe DNG files but it may also explain why Mac finder can't show preview thumbs. Aperture 3: Some DNG images display as unsupported - Apple Support
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Having used Aperture for some time, and being a Mac user since 1985, I have a list of questions about Aperture that I need help with.
1. Periodically operating the sliders will make an image turn black. Sometimes this is early in a session, sometimes late. Various workarounds will bring the image back, but once this starts, quitting seems the only option. Can anyone help me with why this happens and how to stop it?
2. About 20% of the RAW files from my supported camera display the Unsupported Image Format error screen. These files operate perfectly in the manufacturers software and in other image management software that does not use the OS RAW libraries. Can someone help me with the cause of this and the solution (not a "workaround" but a way to make it stop happening).
3. ALL of my RAW files from my supported camera, when I try to lift metadata, return the error message that there is no metadata to lift. But in fact, the metadata inspector displays metadata. How can I stop this from happening and experience normal metadata lifting?
4. When I use the DNG format from my supported camera, a great many EXIF fields do not display, such as lens data. Can someone help me with DNG files, since these never generate the UIF error screen (cf. #2 above) as the manufacturer's RAW files do. I'm forced to use DNGs to have all my shots, but the EXIF data is not fully displayed.
5. Today I opened Aperture and no previews would display. Aperture froze while updating thumbnails. I'd not done any non-routine edits or imported any unusual files or formats. Aperture then would not quit. Is it safe to attempt to restart Aperture?
6. At times Aperture slows to the point of not working at all. Long pauses simply in trying to enlarge the selection circles for redeye removal, for example. What would cause Aperture to slow down without warning at any point in the workflow? How can I experience a more consistent operating speed from Aperture.
7. How do other image management programs like Lightroom compare on these points? Is Aperture typical or should I seek a change in my workflow, improvement in my hardware, or some adjustment in my installation?
Info: MacBook Pro, 4 GB RAM (apple), 320 GB drive, 45 GB free on drive; library of 3800 images. Fewer than 12 projects.
Thanks for your assistance.

n #3. It looks like you're absolutely right on this. I went back and checked on photos I'd edited and there was the altered metadata. +Many thanks for dispelling that concern!+ I love being a happy camper. Check that one off the list!
On 1, I've followed the black-screen issues and pretty much all we know is that a workaround exists--usually selecting the crop box restores the picture, but a lot of times it blacks out again. Having used Apple products over 25 years, all of which was in my adult professional life, I haven't seen Apple willing to just let users tolerate an irritating "workaround." I think this is something that needs fixing.
On 6--I don't understand how the rotational speed would produce erratic performance issues. I can go a month of reasonable performance, and then suddenly things bog down. Also, if that is the reason, this really ought to be part of the System Requirements, or at least, a recommendation. Maybe it is already--I should check to be sure. I confess this is one aspect I had not thought about.
Thanks so much for thinking about these. I love my Apple products and have owned almost every generation of Mac since the "Fat Mac" (512K RAM! 800Kb Floppies!) and hate to stare at the screen and think I've been given a truly poor product--not in my DNA--but these things break my heart.
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Aperture and Canon 5D mark II import problem: copyright and author metadata

After importing RAW images to Aperture, I missing my name and copyright info in metadata, everything els is there; lens, focal length, shutter sped... I try several methods from camera direct, from memory card, using EOS software to HD and to Aperture. Nothing works. Did anybody have same problem?

Ah. I didn't know that.
This type of information is defined typically in IPTC, not EXIF. Aperture probably ignores those EXIF fields; in general if it gets EXIF data it doesn't understand, I think it ignores it.
As to your other comment about making this data unmodifiable -- it's not really possible to make it immutable. EXIF in general is a lot harder to modify than IPTC, but unless the file is encrypted and self-checksumming, a person with a sector editor (or an application designed to change EXIF) will get around this.
I don't think there's yet a standard way to really "protect" full-sized image files, at least for JPEG or TIFF files.

Aperture and me Ol' G5

Okay... I'm no longer happy with iphoto for I need a bit more bang for me buck so I'm looking at Aperture.
I have a single processor G5 1.6 GHz PowerPC Tower, 1.5 gigs of ram, with a GeForce FX 5200 graphics card.
Now all looks good, but Aperture specs state I need a Geforce FX 5200 Ultra card.
Questions as Follows:
1. Is there difference between a GeForce FX 5200 card and a GeForce FX 5200 Ultra or are they both the same thing? ... or am I in need of an upgrade?
2. What's a good Graphics Card to upgrade to in order to get the best performance out of Aperture?

Certainly, but if Eric's been using iPhoto all this
time and his only complain is that "is not enough" in
terms of features (not performance) in my opinion
Aperture would do just fine on his box with the new
video card.
Absolutely, the G5 is a fine piece of hardware, so why chuck out a working box if it can do mostly what you need. If he doesn't need Pro performance, then so what?
I've just recently bought Aperture, for a similar reason to Eric, and found its performance a little worse than iPhoto, but the extra features are a real advantage, even for a serious hobbyist.
I have a Dual 1.8 G5, about the same era as the 1.6, but of course a bit more poke, and has the same graphics card. I am not seeing the performance issues reported by some, which seem to be with PCI-E cards, rather than the older AGP cards.
We have threads all over the place from people with
PowerBook G4 running Aperture and while is not the
best place to run it, they do just fine. If Eric has
been using iPhoto all this time my gut tells me he
doesn't have to deal with publisher or customer(s)
deadlines. A single G5 1.6 with the ATI video card
should do just fine.
I have it running on an iBook 14" here.
Let's not get caught up on performance discussions
here. Eric's original questions were related
strictly to video cards. The answer to his second
question is (as David mentioned) that the ATI will be
a very good card for his system, and Aperture will
run.
Now, if we want to discuss whether the G5 1.6 is a
computer worth upgrading or replaced by a Mac Pro,
that's a different topic.
I realize that by giving Eric the specs of my box as
a point of reference may have not been the best, and
rather mentioned the people running Aperture on G4s.
It's all what we're used to, and what we need from our system. As for the economics, I think it's very easy to justify upgrading a G5 for better graphics speed. I looked at the possibility of a new Mac, but there are too many cost caveats to consider.
To upgrade my G5, I needed a bit more RAM, I just added another 2GB to make it 4.5GB (which just about seems to the enough now), that was £180 from Crucial. I have also ordered an ATI 9600 card for £130 (the X800 has reports of spiking the PSU). So I've just upgraded my G5 for a bit more use in the future for about the cost of a Mac Mini.
If I bought a new MacPro (which seems to be the general advice given nowadays), I have to buy a new Mac (obviously), which would be about £1500. On top of that, I'd have to add some more RAM anyway, and the stuff in a MacPro isn't cheap, so add another £300. I am also running my Mac on an ADC monitor, so I'd either have to buy an adapter (which is about £90), or a new monitor - perhaps another £300 to get the same quality.
Oh, yes, and I still use some G5 native software too - such as Photoshop Elements, so I wouldn't have any speed advantage there at all. And of course, more expense when the Universal version arrives.
Besides which, judging by all the comments in this forum, I wouldn't necessarily see any performance gain in Aperture anyway (indeed, it might even be worse!).
I would say, on balance, if you don't need outright performance, and you have a G5 PowerMac, then a card and some RAM is without doubt a very viable and economical solution for Eric.
PowerMac G5 DP 1.8 Mac OS X (10.4.8) 4.5GB RAM, Formac Gallery, LG Flatron, soon to have an ATI 9600.

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