Communication Failing with Corrupted Chars . Sql Server 2000 and AS400

Hi Experts,
I am facing this below error after 9 yrs. sql server 2000 and As400 on prod server. while on dev and stage it's running properly. Here username is ABCD, while it's showing BCD
The OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "" reported an error. Authentication failed. [SQLSTATE 42000] (Error 7399) Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "xxxxx".
[SQLSTATE 42000] (Error 7303)  OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "" returned message "[Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Driver's SQLSetConnectAttr failed".
[SQLSTATE 01000] (Error 7412)  OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server returned message "[IBM][iSeries Access ODBC Driver]Communication link failure. comm rc=8001 - CWBSY0001 -
User  BCD on server does not exist, Password length = 8, Prompt Mode = Never, System IP Address = "xxxxx". [SQLSTATE 01000] (Error 7412).  The step failed.
Here ABCD user is also disabling/locking the profile on AS400 server.
When we tried on Dev server, linked server through DSN working properly. Last time when it appeared 2 yrs ago, it resolved automatically. but now more than 10 days passed and still Failing.
Please Guide Me.
Regards,
Manish

So this setup has worked for nine years, and all of a sudden stopped working with this error message? Does not look trivial...
What does Here ABCD user is also disabling/locking the profile on AS400 server mean? Is ABCD able to log in directly on the AS400 box?
One possibility is that the user ABCD has been dropped or disabled, and then there is a bug in the ODBC driver where the first character of the username is distorted in the error message. I note that there are two spaces between "User" and "BCD".
The other possibility is that the AS400 is receiving a login attempt from BCD (or something that ends in BCD with an invisible leading character). This sounds very difficult to troubleshoot...
Erland Sommarskog, SQL Server MVP, [email protected]

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