Comparing iPhoto 09 and Aperture 2

I am giving a presentation on iPhoto and Aperture. Is anyone aware of a comparison table showing the significant differences? It does not need to be too sophisticated, just the basic differences.
I stopped using a iPhoto a few years ago when I moved to Aperture, in part because of the horrendous filing system at the time. iPhoto 09 is very different from the program I abandoned and has certainly closed the gap - no doubt some of the features will make their way into Aperture 3.0, when that appears. Anyway, I was hoping someone could show me where I could find a basic features comparison which I could use to show participants.
Many thanks,
Graham

Some Differences between Aperture and iPhoto.
iPhoto is firmly focussed on the Domestic market, especially on the Point and Shoot user. Aperture is aimed squarely at the Professional shooting RAW. This pretty much explains the differences.
Aperture has much higher hardware requirements than iPhoto. iPhoto may use more disk space (though with high quality Previews in Aperture there may be little difference). Put it this way: the principle difference in terms of Hardware is that iPhoto will run comfortably on any machine Apple makes.
Aperture has much better fine control over Processing Raws, though it uses the same engine for this as iPhoto. However, iPhoto can process and edit RAWs too. iPhoto can send a RAW file to an external editor, which Aperture cannot. The both support exactly the same RAW formats, and the same file formats.
iPhoto neither reads nor writes all of the IPTC data that Aperture does. But it can write to the Exif (date and time) and it can write to the IPTC (Title, Keywords and Caption) on Export. Aperture is much stronger in this area.
iPhoto has better slideshows, especially in iPhoto 09, with six different styles, much better slideshow exports options too, up to HD quality - actually any Slideshow export is better than Aperture’s
Books are limited by Template in iPhoto, all elements of a book are editable in Aperture. Aperture has no support for printing Calendars and other items.
Aperture has much better support for Referenced Libraries. Running iPhoto in Referenced Mode is tricky, especially when the Originals are stored on a different volume. There is no easy mechanism for re-connecting Originals and therefore migrating to a new volume or even a new machine can be a bear. Aperture is much better for processing and managing large numbers of files. That said, iPhoto is good for 250k images, and we’ve seen reports over on the iPhoto forum of Libraries in excess of 100k. Users report some performance issues.
Both are integrated throughout the OS and in the same ways. They have limited integration with each other.
I smile when folks refer to iPhoto’s “convoluted” filing system. This impression comes from people trying to access the files via the Finder. Have you ever looked inside an Aperture Library?
Regards
TD

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    I am moving from iPhoto into Aperture (moving my library again actually) and I know that iPhoto and Aperture can share the iPhoto library once it has been updated but I am wondering if there is any value (or even if it is possible) to export all of the iPhoto pictures and import them into a new Aperture library?  The reason that I'm asking this is that I know there are a lot of duplicates in my iPhoto library and I know that Aperture keeps only the original.  A couple of weeks ago I moved my iPhoto library onto an external LaCie SSD disk to use with my MacBook Pro but unfortunately corrupted that library and have to make the move again.  If there is any value in changing how I'm managing my library I should do it now.
    The library corruption was caused by me needing to leave for work and disconnecting the LaCie before Aperture was done sync'ing with my Flickr account.  When I tried to use Aperture the next day it was not able to repair/rebuild or use the iPhoto library at all.  I was unfortunately not backing up the external disk so I lost everything that I had done to clean up the library after the move.  One lesson that I learned was do not automatically sync with Flickr because doing this on an MBP via wireless with an external disk library can add a lot of delay to shutting down Aperture after an MBP wakeup.

    Just in case you have not come across these:
    Aperture 3.3: Using a unified photo library with iPhoto and Aperture
    Aperture 3.3: How to use Aperture to merge iPhoto libraries
    but I am wondering if there is any value (or even if it is possible) to export all of the iPhoto pictures and import them into a new Aperture library?
    You can - an it will depend on what you want to achieve, if that will usefull. The way to do this would be by imprting your iPhoto library into an Aperture library using Aperture. But Aperture libraries and iPhoto libraries are now interchangable - both are photo libraries, and you could simply use your iPhoto library in Aperture and be done now.
    Some reasons why you would want to turn your iPhoto library into a library recognized as Aperture library by importing it into a new, empty Aperture Library:
    As long as the photo library will have the "Kind: iPhoto library", you will have to upgrade both iPhoto and Aperture always to the newest versions, or you will not be able to upgrade to a new library format, when a new release of Aperture comes - say (iPhoto '12 and Aperture 4); you will probably have to buy both new releases to continue working with your iPhoto Library in Aperture.
    If the kind of your library is "Kind: iPhoto library", it will appear in the Media Browser in the iPhoto section, not in the Aperture section, even if you are using it as your Aperture library. And before syncing with iTunes you will always have to open the Aperture library in iPhoto to point iTunes to it.
    Also, in Aperture you have more control about what will be included in your library - In iPhoto there is no way to specify the size and quality of previews. If you do not want or need previews, or you want smaller previews, or no Faces, it would make sense to recreate your iPhoto library by importing it into a new, empty Aperture Library.
    If you have more than one iPhoto Library, you can merge them into one big Aperture library to be able to browse all your images without having to switch between libraries. Aperture works very well with really big libraries. There is no need to split libraries.
    The reason that I'm asking this is that I know there are a lot of duplicates in my iPhoto library and I know that Aperture keeps only the original.
    That is what I meant by having more control on what will be stored. iPhoto will always store a very high quality preview of your edited version; in Aperture you can decide what the preview size and quality will be. But Previews and originals are not duplicates; they are not the same image.
    Regards
    Léonie

  • Does Aperture 3 have built in PhotoShare/iCloud capabilities or do I need a newer version of iPhoto as well?  I'm running iPhoto '09 and am to scared to switch to the newer version of iPhoto..?

    Does Aperture 3 have built in PhotoShare/iCloud capabilities or do I need a newer version of iPhoto as well?  I'm running iPhoto '09 and am to scared to switch to the newer version of iPhoto..?

    Welcome to the Apple Support Communities
    Both Aperture 3 and iPhoto '11 are compatible with Photo Stream. However, note that the most recent iPhoto '11 and Aperture 3 versions use the same library, so your library will be upgraded, and it doesn't mind if you install iPhoto '11 or Aperture 3. That's why I recommend you to make a backup of your iPhoto library before installing Aperture or upgrading iPhoto

  • Using iPhoto Library in Aperture 3

    Currently I have two separate photo libraries, each containing the same photos/videos in both iPhoto 11 and Aperture 3 (latest updates for both).
    In order to conserve HD space is there any way I could eliminate say, the Aperture library and have it use the iPhoto library as default?  Each library comprises 24K+ photos/videos; however, iPhoto is the only one which can play certain of the older videos, Aperture won't play them.  There is roughly 80 to 85 GB in each library due to the amount of items.  I could keep the iPhoto videos in iPhoto for reference purposes and remove same from Aperture, but that means I am still running with two libraries.
    What would be likely problems if I were to remove my current Aperture library and have Aperture use the iPhoto 11 library instead?  I am running low on HD space and don't wish to use an external drive to store one of the libraries; however, I do use an external drive for Time Machine backups.
    I am wondering what problems I would encounter and if there would be any benefit to this scenario.
    Perhaps some feedback would help me to decide.  Either I can eliminate the iPhoto library or the Aperture library.  Thoughts and recommendations would be appreciated.
    Thanks.

    Like Aperture the 'edits' are in the database. These apps work as follows:
    Import an original
    Edit it. Your decisions are stored as text commands in the SQL database. When you view the file it's essentially the original with your 'edits' overlaid on it. There is no edited file without exporting - that's what lossless processing is all about.
    This User Tip
    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-4921
    has details of the options in the Export dialogue.
    The Aperture export dilaogue has even more options.
    To dave you the bother of always having to export iPhoto automatically generates Previews. (In Aperture you can choose to generate them or not). What's a Preview? It's a sort of 'good-enough-for-most-things version of the shot, medium quality, medium size but missing lots of metadata - designed for use in scenarios like email, uploading and using in Word Processing.
    Is your plan to back up the Library to the Cloud?

  • Iphoto 6 and time machine

    Based on what I have read, TM is not compatible with iphoto 6... so does that mean that it's not backing up the content? Or only that i can't go back and retrieve specific files? Does that make sense? I just want to make sure something is backing up the content.
    Also, can someone point me in the right direction for RAW/NEF plugins? I have the RAW plugin for my Leica, but not for my Nikon and can't seem to find it in the spot where i found the leica years ago.
    thanks for your help!

    For iphoto '08 and Aperture 2 ONLY.... Nikon d60: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/digitalcamerarawcompatibilityupdate20.htm l
    For iphoto '06 Nikon d80:http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/digitalcamerarawsupportupdate101universal .html
    For a list of 10.5 RAW camera support:
    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306835
    Read carefully for any Adobe Raw conversions. http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3821
    Most Nikon camera Raw support is already built into Leopard 10.5.2
    From this site:
    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-9258-9275
    "A parallel update for OS X 10.4.x, one that would bump up the list of supported camera RAW files in that OS version, hasn't materialized, which may mean that system-wide support for the newest digital camera RAW files isn't in the cards for the older OS. But, Aperture 2 and iPhoto 7.1.2, when run in OS X 10.4.11, are able to view and process RAW files from the same list of cameras as OS X 10.5.2, including the latest Canon and Nikon digital SLRs."

  • Making book Mypublisher and Aperture

    I am making a book and decided to use my publisher because I have used in the past on the PC (I like mypublsher quality and discounts). In Aperture I created a book project folder (type of folder that you can create an Apple book in) and copied all my files I want to use in the book in there. Next I use the Mypublisher software to get the photos in. It allows you to go to the Aperture directory and use the book folder I created above (I use reference files in Aperture). I am getting the files from the Aperture images and not the actual location of the original files.
    Now my question is if I do it that way Im I using the full files size. I am not going through the process of exporting the files and was wondering If Iam really using the full file size in making my book in my publisher? Should I export the Aperture book folder and create files and then use those files to make the book? Iam not sure what size files Im using when I make this book in mypublisher since I am not taking the original files.
    If I am not making this (gathering files) in the correct manner please also say so.
    My next question is I noticed when I drag a photo from Aperture task bar to the desktop it doesn't create a full size jpeg. Is the only way to create a full size image is export it?
    thanks....going on my third month with aperture and love it...

    The only thing I wish they would do is increase the number of pages. One hundred pages is quite limiting for some projects.
    Suggest to Apple via the Aperture feedback
    I have created books using Aperture and was under the impression that the same books available for iPhoto were also available for Aperture.
    No - Aperture 2 and iPhoto '08 share the same book products as of now - iPhoto '09 has different products available - http://www.apple.com/support/photoservices/product_specs/
    Am I doing something wrong ? It would only seem logical that this new book size would also be available for both applications.
    Why is it logical? Aperture and iPhoto are two totally different products and the "keepsakes" for each are different - it happens that the book printing is the same for iPhoto '08 and Aperture 2 - but the layouts and products are totally different. The is no reason to think that an upgrade to one would be reflected in the other one
    Other than using a custom book (something not available at all in iPhoto) you can not - it is not currently available for Aperture - it might be in a future upgrade
    LN

  • Print quality difference between iphoto and aperture...?

    when ordering books, is there a print quality difference between using iPhoto and Aperture? or are they sent to the same lab?
    it's possible i may have some setting wrong, but when i order a book using iphoto, i never really feel the quality is that great. it's good, i just feel it could be a lot better. the print quality sort of reminds me of newsprint, albeit high quality newsprint. similar sized prints made at home on my basic 3-in-1 printer look better.
    thanks...

    Previews are what you view on your display. When you import a photo into Aperture (and I'm pretty sure iPhoto as well), your computer automatically generates a preview for quick viewing. The original images are stored in your library, but it is the preview that you see.
    In Aperture, you are able to set the size and quality of these previews. When sharing photos between Aperture and iPhoto, the process is as follows:
    Let's say that your images are stored in Aperture, but you also want to be able to view them in iPhoto without taking up too much room on your hard drive. Essentially, if you were to import the originals into iPhoto as well, you would be storing two exact, yet separate copies of the same image on your hard drive. As you are aware, with large images (whether JPEG's, and especially RAW) this would put quite a tax on your storage capacity after not too long.
    So, you have your images in one or the other (in this case Aperture), but you want to play around with them in iPhoto. What you can do, is open iPhoto, go to the File menu and then select, Show Aperture Library. This will open a window with all of the contents of your Aperture Library. You can then drag any images you want into iPhoto . The only thing is, you are not dragging the original JPEG's, but rather, the previews of those images. If you have those previews set to a lower quality (again for capacity concerns), you will only have lower quality and lower detailed images in iPhoto. These images might not be ideal, or even suitable for printing high quality prints. The previews that you generate in Aperture though can be adjusted to be extremely high quality with no size limits.
    My thinking was that since you mentioned Aperture, it sounded like you had experience with working with it and with ordering a photo book through Aperture. I guess you were saying that you ordered via iPhoto, weren't happy with the quality and were wondering if Aperture created books were better.
    Anyway, if this is the case, I cannot answer that for you. I have never ordered a book through Aperture. If the quality of your images is good, you should be able to get a decent product no matter where you order it from. There is not doubt that the materials used and the print shop that does the work makes a difference, but if your images are good, you should still get a decent product through iPhoto. Perhaps iPhoto isn't the way to go though if you have had poor experiences with them.
    If you haven't used Aperture yet, I would highly recommend it though aside from the photo book aspect of this thread. It is a stellar product.
    I hope this helps.
    Message was edited by: macorin

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