Comparing OS X Leopard to Windows Vista...

I saw Windows Vista for the first time this weekend and while the first thing I noticed was that many of the features were taken straight from Mac (ex: Expose or the Apple+Tab feature) there was one thing that I noticed Vista had, that Mac did not - and it surprised me.
Transparent frames around application windows:
http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/windows/images/products/windowsvista /features/details/screenshot_windowsflip.jpg
Well... being a visual person, I was quite drawn to this feature - it was pleasing to the eye, and I thought "How cool would my Mac desktop look with this feature!"
So I was wondering - is there anything on the Mac that can set up application windows similarly to the ones on Windows Vista?
Message was edited by: mccaugkm

mccaugkm wrote:
LoL - yeah... I'm not sure what caused me to click w/ it so much - I guess just having a frame around the application window made it seem a little cleaner. I also liked how their version of Expose could fan out *shifty eyes*
No worries though - I'm still Mac through and through lol - I enjoy not having to worry too much about viruses or bugs
I have both Leopard and Vista 64-bit Ultimate on this MBP. Both work fine. I tend to see beyond the desktop, being a *nixer at heart, but I have none of the complaints with either OS that many others report. In fact Apple does not yet support the 64-bit Vista, but it runs fine just the same after dl-ing some drivers directly from the manufacturers.
As the old saying goes, "underneath, they're all just ones and zeros"

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What makes Snow Leopard better than Window 7 from a tech standpoint? I'm writing a paper comparing the 2 OS's for a college class and I really need some help from the community. Thank you all in advance for your help.

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http://support.apple.com/kb/SP575
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6/
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Chkdsk run everytime I start Windows Vista under Bootcamp in Snow Leopard

I have Windows Vista 32 bits installed on bootcamp partition and it work fine in 10.5.
Now I have upgrade my MBP (early 2008) to Snow Leopard, and upgrade WIndows Bootcamp drivers to version 3.0 from Snow Leopard DVD. Both installation were completed and run fine.
The problem I have now is: Whenever I used Mac OS, shut down, then restart the WIndows Vista by pressing Option key at Macbook Pro startup, Chkdsk will run evry time, checking integrity of the Windows boot partition. I have to wait for more than 20 minutes before Chkdsk fix all errors, then reboot, and press Options key to get back into WIndows Vista without Chkdsk running.
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But whenever I shut fown Winodws and use Snow Leopard, then get back in to startup Windows, Chdsk run again. This is very annoyingm, and never occured in 10.5
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Deleting index entry 501 in index $I30 of file 9028
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I understanfd that the ._501 is in .Trashes folder on Windows partiton. It must be altered wwhen I use Snow Leopard, and must have to do with Trash in Mac OSX 10.6.
Can any friend advise me how to solve this problem? Thank in advance

I had the same problem and was reasonably confident that the disc was actually okay and did not benefit from repeated checking. You can instruct Windows on boot to ignore a drive by typing in the following command after boot into a command window chkntfs /x c:
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SL also created this problem for me. After that and a host of other issues that I did not have the time or patience to to battle with I reinstalled Leopard and have been happy with the decision.

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