Comping multi-Track multi-take Drums

Hi everyone,
In the last days I recorded a set of drum tracks. I'm looking for a good way to comp them so that a crash that was hit in take 1 can fade out while take 2 is already starting to play. I thought that might be possible to do wit hthe comping feature but I know think I was wrong about that, it obviously wasnt intended to do that.
So I unpacked the comps resultung in multiple tracks with only one channel strip (which is what I want). Unfortunately, only one of the unpacked tracks can be heared when i hit play. The regions on the other tracks are greyed out, also displaying a blue circle on the top left of the region box.
However, when I take the very same region out of the "bin"-box and put it in this second track it works! I could do this every time now but obviously I am quite sure that I'm missing something here. And help is greatly appreciated.

quakenul wrote:
Well, turns out those regions where muted. Who knew you could even do that, I didn't. Thanks anway.
Well, I did! But you answered your own question very quickly, so you didn't need us to tell you about muting... And we didn't have the time to react...
But you are not exactly the first to have stumbled over unintended muting... that default keycommand 'M' (mute/unmute selected region) is just too easy to hit unnoticed, when thumbing the spacebar...
regards, Erik.

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Cont_Acq&Graph_Voltage-Ext_Clk-Dig_Start_1.vi ‏109 KB

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Message was edited by: brianmusic

Eriksimon wrote:
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