Compressor AC3 encoding error!

When I encoded my 2Hour,53Minutes 6 Channel Wave file in compressor 2, the length of the final 5.1 AC3 file (448 Kbps)for DVD is 28 Minutes only!
Why ?
Is there any length limit in compressor?
Any one faced this problem before?
Please advice me!
Thanks & regards
Vij
G5 Mac OS X (10.4) Duel 2.8 Ghz, 2.5 GB, 250 GB.

Hi
Yesterday I came to know that the actual problem was not in compressor, but that was in Adobe Audition, in which I created the 6 Channel WAV file.
When I exported the 6 channel wave (16 bit, 48 KHz) from a Stereo source wave (16 bit, 48 KHz, and its length is 153 Minutes) in Audition, the file size shown was 4.9GB and 28 Minutes in length!
I tried to export the same as 6 individual mono wave files. This time the total file(6 mono wave files) size is also 4.9 GB but the length is '153 Minutes'.
I think, there is a bug in Audition, where it handles the size and length of a 6 channel Wave!
regards
VIJ

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