Condition Type with cost element category 1

Dear Sap expert,
I have costing based copa and I am running make to stock scenario.
SD team added new condition type in their pricing.
This condition type is mapped to FI GL account which is a cost account (cost element category 1) while the other condition type in SD pricing is cost element category 11 or 12.
I mapping this cost account to a cost center in OKB9.
But when SD run billing, there is an error message :
"Prof.segment for prim.cost elements not advisable for costing-based CO-PA" .
I don't mapped this new condition type to copa value field.
But Why does this error come?
Please help me.
Regards

Hi Anu
This is standard behaviour... Once you have COPA active, the Prof Segment gets derived when you create Sales Order...
So, any posting that happens from Billing, gets assigned to this Prof Segment...
The design is such that you cant post to COPA using Catg 1 cost element....
So, if you are posting to this GL account from SD Billing, you need to have it as Catg 11 or 12.... If you dont want to post it to COPA, then do not post to this GL from SD billing.. Post it from FI side...
Br, Ajay M

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