Conditions in Classic Scenario without IPC?

Hi !
I would like to know if possible to work with conditions in SRM without the IPC. Is it possible?
There will be like 4 or 5 conditions, like freight and other purchase costs.
My SRM version is 5.5. We are using the classic scenario (purchase order is being create only in ECC not in SRM).
Thanks in advance.
Rodrigo

can you please share how this has been resolved and we have similar scenario and trying to find solution
Vijay

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Hi All,
We need to bring in Material Master picing (moving average prices) from R/3. These prices should default when we use the "Internal Products" feature in Shopping Cart. Will this get affected if we drop IPC?
We are working on SRM 4.0 and are thinking of dropping the IPC 4.0 and use the BADI (Simplified pricing) to achieve our pricing functionality.
In classic scenario i am aware the IPC is not needed. CAn somebody explain to me the pros and cons of dropping the IPC from our system landscape in a classic scenario and also is it possible to achieve the "moving average price" requirement mentioned above without the IPC??
Can somebody throw light on this matter. There is a program to get the backend prices? Would that be sufficient to bring the moving average price when run as a background job?
Thanks
Sundeep

Hi Sundeep,
1- As you already know it, IPC is not mandatory for classic scenario
2- EBP_GET_BACKEND_PRICES is the program you are looking for (get prices from backend).
3- In R/3, price can be different per plant.
4- As far as i know, you cannot use badi to achieve this feature in SRM 4.0, as price tables are not included in the badi.IPC could handle this.
6- If PIR or backend contracts cover your requirement, you don't need IPC.
If you want to handle your own specific logic, IPC can help you to achieve it.
Kind regards
Yann

Pricing conditions in extended classic scenario

Hello friends,
I have a question about pricing conditions. There is a condition in R/3 where the price can be redetermined based on the G/R date. Is it to do something similiar in SRM. I mean redetermine the price at the time of confirmation.
Thanks any help will be appreciated.

Hello Chakradhar,
IPC is required for extended classic scenario. Reach out to your basis practitioner, he should be able to perform this.
Helpful links
Re: IPC Configuration in Functional perspective.
Re: IPC Configuration
Hope this helps.
Thanks
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Hi All,
We are in the process of implementing SAP SRM Bidding application and we are into SAP SRM 7.01 version with SP012.
We are running in classic scenario.
In case of bidding, in responsee comparison screen - the base price will be displayed along with freight price as net price. For eg base price is 100 and freight is 2% the net price would be 102 and the same is displayed in the std SAP SRM bid comparison screen. However when we implement the bidding engine to our client system, the bid comparison screen net price displays only the base price and freightht is not taken intoaccount. On analysis we found IPC is not activated and only Classic Light pricing is active. We believe this issue would resolve if we activate IPC.
Can anyone please suggest what would be the impact if we activate the IPC for classic scenario?
Your earlier response would behighly appreciated.
regards
Sundar

Hi Sundar,
Activating IPC is always suggested in SRM, simplified pricing(classic light) is actual the exception scenario as far as I know.
You always have the option to change from simplified pricing to normal pricing using IPC. You can change from IPC pricing back to simplified pricing as well.
Regards,
Vidya

:):(Creation of RFX or LAC in a Classic Scenario:):(

Hi Guys,
I was wondering if you guys could come up with some nice suggestions on how i should go ahead and process my requirements.
We are implementing a SRM 4.0 (classic scenario) system. I am aware that all shopping carts in SRM are created and transferred to the backend as a PO/PR according to our customization and nothing goes to the sourcing cockpit when a vendor is not assigned in a classic scenario.
Implementation of a classic scenario restricts one to create a Bid or a Live Auction from the sourcing cockpit. Can all the SRM GURUS suggest me in what way one could push the requirements to the bidding engine or to the Live Auction Cockpit in a CLASSIC SCENARIO.
I hope i would get great responses.
Thanks
Sunny

Hello Sunny,
there has never been such limitations.
Classic scenario is supported by Sourcing Cockpit & Bidding Engine in SRM 4.0, at the condition that a classic SC is created in SRM.
In sourcing customizing, you can decide to send all SC without source of supply to the Sourcing Cockpit.
You can even decide to initiate directly an RFX, without using the Sourcing Cockpit.
At the end of the negociation (RFX --> Bids --> Auctions --> Bids), the awarded bid can be transformed into a backend PO or a backend Contrat.
Rgds
Christophe

Tolerances in SRM extended classic scenario

Hi all,
I have a question regarding tolerances in extended classic scenario and I hope that somebody could help me.
We use extended classic scenario. The tolerance group is attached to TOG attribute in PPOMA_BBP, tolerance key is DQ.
We also tried to use tolerance key CF, but it seems as if CF is not applicable for GR?
However, whenever we try to confirm more than PO quantity, we get an error message. PO Ordered quantity exceeded by 1 EA
It seems so that SRM has a double tolerance check
one in SRM against defined tolerance (via attribute TOG)
one in R/3 against the PO tolerance
Now my question: Is this the expected behaviour or a bug? We do not want to maintain two tolerances. And furthermore most of the time we have POs without a material master. Are there any possibilities to skip the PO tolerance check?
Thanks for your help,
Martina
Edited by: Martina A. on Jan 15, 2008 1:13 PM

Hi
Depending on the SRM version you are using, Please go through the links, which will definitely help ->
Condition Type SRM - ECC
Tolerance in SRM and ECC (BE R/3)
Tolerance
Re: SC Budget check without SAP Fund Mgmt
TOG parameter and tolerance checks better understanding
Setting EKPO-UNTTO with BAPI_PO_Create
Re: SRM: many confirmation for PO
Please maintain the "TOG" attribute in PPOMABBP transaction in SRM.._
Do let me know.
Regards
- Atul

Extended Classic Scenario Pricing issue, can I over come by using SRM-MDM?.

Hi SRM GURU'S,
I am using ECC 6.0, SRM 5.5, SUS, LAC, cFolders and SRM-MDM with Extended Classic Scenario.
My Question is : In case of Extended classic scenario, there is issue with Pricing and conditions. Is there any possibility to overcome this issue by using SRM-MDM. Or do I have to go for IPC. My client has not brought IPC. I have to cover Pricing with the above components.
Anyone suggest me, how to proceed. Thanks in Advance. Awaiting for quick response.
Thanks & Regards,
John.

Hi Masa,
We can maintain Price and conditions as a record in CCM for Particular Material or Vendor. When you add that record to shopping cart it will update. I mean, If the provision is available in MDM, I don't want to use the Two components for same functionality.
If I use IPC, Is there separate license for that. What else need to be updated to use IPC (Patches etc).
If you have IPC configuration material, could you please share with me? How to bridge the SRM Conditions and ECC Conditions?
Please clearly give me details. I really appreciate you.
Regards,
John.

Pricing in Extended Classic Scenario.

Dear SRM Experts,
System: SRM Server5.5.
Technical Scenario: Extended Classic Scenario.
I have done base line configuration in SRM server. IPC ia active.
[A]
What configuration need to be done for pricing i.e CALCULATION SCHEMA in Ext.Classic Scenario?
""" I have maintained Number Ranges """""""

Also what configguration needs to be done for IV?
"""I have maintained Number Ranges for local Invoices"""
[C]
How will accounting entries be made in R/3......do i need to maintain any attributes or any configuration?
I will reward points for all helpful answer.
Best Regards,
ANIL RAJPAL.

Hi Anil,
The majore part of pricing is in SD or CRM area right and for that they are using IPC, in SRM we are also using the IPC for the pricing which we need to pull from R/3 and used in SRM system.
For Configuring the IPC u need to config following settings.
1) IPC should be up and running.
2) Go in SPRO-> SRM server-> Cross Application Settings-> Pricing->Process Condition Types->Process Calculation Schema->Process Condition Groups->Check Technical and Customizing Settings for Conditions.
These are the basic setting u need to do for running IPC.
BR
Vijay Mittal
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SRM 7.0 Unable to create PO - Classic Scenario.

Hello,
We are able to successfully create the below scenario.
PR in ECC --> Get PR in SRM --> Start Collective processing -> Transfer to Central System (SC is created for the PR @ this time) --> Create RFx --> Rfx Response --> Create PO. (PO is created in ERP, Classic Scenario)
We are able to get the PR & we are able to create SC successfully and the PR/ SC is available in Sourcing cocpit.
Able to create RFx --> Rfx Response.
Now once the RFx Response is Accepted --> We go for creating PO.
Classic Scenario.
The error is due to pricing - debugged and checked as mentioned in my earlier message.
IPC pricing is switched off and the BADI for simple pricing is activated.
Error : " Message A BBP_PD 396 cannot be processed in plugin mode HTTP "
But this is due to pricing is what i guess.
Error is raised in FM "BBP_PDPRC_UPDATE".
Kindly Suggest.
Unable to Create PO
Regards.
Edited by: Purshothaman P on Jul 6, 2010 1:50 PM

Hi,
Please check and run the following reports (se38): BBP_CND_CUSTOMIZING_CHECK & RSVMCRT_HEALTH_CHECK and post back the results.
Note for BBP_CND_CUSTOMIZING_CHECK also run 'Simulation of Pricing with Manual Price' (scroll down after executing the report initially).
Also the badi information you activated tells us a lot. Although i take it that you executed and read everything that's included in the transaction information. The following sentence gives a prety doubtfull feeling for the CPPR scenario to work for your configuration:
SAP recommends using this BAdI only in exceptional cases and only after checking thoroughly if it is compatible with the Business Scenarios used.
Note: From what i've just read IPC has to be disabled, certain badi's etc. need to be disabled. And VMC (sap basis) has to be configured. Please view: [http://help.sap.com/SCENARIOS_BUS2008/helpdata/EN/9C/F90B7CB34A4889935D1733C6756D5B/content.htm]
Could you also please check and provide whether 'normal' SRM classic scenarios like: SC -> PO do run within your system. Also the error and information you have provided is very little.
Kind regards,
Tim

SRM 7.0: Classic Scenario no PO is created only PR is generated

Hi Gurus,
I am working on SRM 7.0 - Classic scenario.
When a shopping cart is complete in terms of price, vendor (assigned) and other required data, item stays in transfer process.
If a SC is incomplete a PR document is created in backend without a problem but when a complete SC is oredered, the status of shopping cart remains I1111 i.e. item in transfer process. I can see in table BBP_PDBEI, backend object type (BE_OBJECT_TYPE) is correctly selected as BUS2012 and the document number of PO is also correctly selected.
This is the case even for the SC ordered using catalog materials.
I have checked following configuration and it seems to be ok.
1. 'Define objects in backend system's
2. Number ranges definition in SRM and ECC
3. Document type attribute -BSA in PPOMA_BBP
Configuraiton wise everything seems to be, I tried to manually transfer the SC using FM BBP_REQREQ_TRANSFER but it does not change the status of SC it remains I1111
RZ20 does not show any error for the SC with status I1111.
Is there any sepcial FM to push the SC in SRM 7.0?
Any help/tips would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
Amit

Hi Amit
what is the setting here
1. 'Define objects in backend system's
is it a prefered vendor or fixed vendor
update the partner function in bbp_pd here
if it is 39 - you wil recive pr
it is 19 you will get PO
i am afraid , you stated that catalog sc stoo this problem but during debugging check what is the partne rfunction...
there can be several reasons for creating PR instead of PO. Please see the FAQ note 1173815 for the possible reasons, and the guide for debugging under:
https://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/SRM/Howtoanalyzethefollow-ondocumentdetermination
MOREOVER NOTE SAYS POSSIBLE REASONS ..
Note 336658 - Purch req instead of purch order created in backend
BR
Muthu

PO is not generated for completed SC in SRM.70 classic scenario.

Hi,
I am working on SRM 7.0 - Classic scenario.
When a shopping cart is complete in terms of price, vendor (assigned) and other required data, item stays in transfer process. even we are adding items from catalog.
If a SC is incomplete a PR document is created in backend without a problem but when a complete SC is oredered, the status of shopping cart remains item in transfer process. I can see in table BBP_PDBEI, backend object type (BE_OBJECT_TYPE) is correctly selected as BUS2012 and the document number of PO is also correctly selected.
This is the case even for the SC ordered using catalog materials.
I have checked following configuration and it seems to be ok.
1. 'Define objects in backend system's
2. Number ranges definition in SRM and ECC
3. Document type attribute -BSA in PPOMA_BBP
Configuraiton wise everything seems to be, I tried to manually transfer the SC using FM BBP_REQREQ_TRANSFER but it does not change the status of SC it remains I1111
RZ20 does not show any error for the SC with status I1111.
Is there any sepcial FM to push the SC in SRM 7.0?
Any help/tips would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Thanks,
Ravi

learnt that PO number has generated in SRM and the same PO number not exist in ECC.
check SM58 , rz20 log or Application monitor for the shopping cart.
or monitor shopping cart click the icon follow on document and errror message must throw in 1 minutes.
let us see .
1. what is the settings in define backend OBJECTS
2. check all basic data in the shopping cart - especially org data
3. run bbp_check_consistancy report for your id?
4. every user has the same issue?
SEE THE RICHARDO technique
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/SRM/ShoppingCartStatusI1111-+Resubmit
Muthu
Report BBP_ALERT_SB_NOTTRANSFERED is available to change the status of the shopping cart item from I1111 to 'Error in transmission' (I1112) and later on, it is possible to retransfer this shopping cart from Application Monitor/Monitor Shopping Cart transactions.
1480994 How to process a shopping cart with status I1111
Edited by: Muthuraman Govindasamy on Jul 16, 2010 11:31 PM

Creation of PO in Classic scenario.

Hi
i am using classic scenario.my problem is i have created shopping cart&approved.after approving this PR had been generated.
ok. now i want to create PO,GR &Invoice with PR.but i could not create with PR.
so please suggest me How to create PO, GR, Invoice with PR in Back end?
OR
Are these created automatically without PR in Backend?
could any one suggest the process.
BR
sss

Hi
This control settings available in SRM
SPRO
cross apllication settings..
Define Objects for Backend System
check this settings for your material group w.r.t external procurement.
is it PO creation or PR generate settings?
Is your Shopping cart has a valid source of supply.
if your cart is incomplete , PR only created, so check it up.
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Classic scenario - goods receipt in SRM

Hi,
I've seen on a business scenario document of SAP that even in the classic scenario it's possible to execute goods receipt by the requester in SRM. My question is: if in classic scenario the purchase order is created on R/3, how can the requester create goods a receipt in SRM for a specific PO? Does SRM get data (items, supplier, etc.) from a R/3 PO in the creation of a goods receipt document?
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Cristiano Soares

HI SRM GURU
We are implementing SRM 4.0 and follow a classic scenarios.
While creating a shoping cart the approval of Shopping cart is based on various attributes like
Material Group + Cost Center + Value .
Can I change the standard workflow conditions and add new conditions like material Group and cost centers.
So that when I create a Shopping cart and change the cost center in the shopping cart, it goes to the head of the new cost center(for Approval) which is manually entered in the shopping cart.
Can this control be achived through the Org plan attributes.
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Freight is not updated in R/3 in the Extended Classic scenario

Friends,
Freight is not updated in R/3 in the Extended Classic scenario.
Once a PO is ordered, if a freight condition in SRM is applied, it does not get updated in R/3.
We have created a condition for Freight (Value and Percentage)in Create
Payment Conditions using the following menu path:
spro
--> Supplier Relationship Management
--> SRM Server
--> Cross-Application Basic Settings
--> Pricing
--> Process Payment Conditions
When creating a Purchase Order in SRM in the "Item Data" tab, there is
a"Pricing" option. Choose "Pricing" and select "Add Further Conditions"
from the drop down menu. Here Freight is available. Add Freight and
the PO record in SRM is updated with the Freight Condition. However,
upon ordering, the Freight condition does not transfer to the PO
recordin R/3.
We've heard this can be achieved by enhancement: only ie by implementing
set of BADIs.. But does anyone know WHICH BADIs we need? Or how we could find out? Thanks.

Hi
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BBP_CREATE_BE_PO_NEW Exit while creating a purchase order in the backend system
BBP_CREATE_PO_BACK OLD Exit while creating a PO in the backend system
BBP_ECS_PO_OUT_BADI ECS: PO Transfer to Logistics Backend
BBP_EXTLOCALPO_BADI Control Extended Classic Scenario
Hope this will help.
Please reward suitable points.
Regards
- Atul

Error handling in File - XI - SOAP scenario without BPM

Hello!
We have a File -> XI -> SOAP scenario without BPM. The problem is that if the Web Service sends back an error XI tries to reprocess the same message again and again instead of taking the next one.
We do not want set the retry interval to NULL because most error cases are temporary connection problems and then also those messages would not automatically be reprocessed any more.
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I know that from SP19 some additional adapter modules are available for async - sync scenarios without BPM. I tried to configure it like described in File - RFC - File without a BPM - Possible from SP 19. but it did not solve the problem. Does anybody have any other ideas? Thanks.
Regards, Tanja

Hi Tanja,
>>>The volume is 3000 messages/day on business days and 700 messages/day during weekends but the traffic will increase in the future
I think, you should check that out. It is assumedly only 2 days work to build a scenario:
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