Confused about conversation grouping Lion vs. Snow Leopard

Hello All,
I just upgraded. Literally just finished. I was checking out mail, and I am confused about how Mail 5 groups messages for conversations. In SL I had Mail group related messages as well, and it's a feature I really enjoy. Conversations just makes it that much better. But, I notice that Lion groups message differently than both SL and iOS. Now, it is no longer grouping emails that are all from various people but are part of the same thread. It is grouping multiple messages from the same sender, even if they have nothing to do with each other, or are only loosely connected.
It used to be (and still is on my iPhone) for example, that all the emails eminating from a single thread topic on one of my class forums would all group together. They have the same subject line and formatting. It was heaven. Will there be no way of doing this?
Also, now all the emails from the teacher of that class, regardless of the relevancy or subject line, group together in one conversation. It's annoying in a way, but I think I can get used to that. Does anyone know if these will be able to be changed in the future?
Thanks

As a Mac power user - LION IS A DISAPPOINTMENT
Apple needs to seriously consider briniging back
  • SPACES: the capability to move up as well as down to access applications
     AND have applications stay in a desgnated space makes it much easier
     to run multiple applicatioins - especially in a multi-monitor environment
  • SAVE AS: Saving various versions of a file is difficult with Lion. 
    If I want a 3 versions of a document - with different pictures, it takes too many "clicks" to accomplish
     this task.  LET ME CHOOSE HOW I STORE FILES
  • COPY COMMAND: Snow Leaopard allowed me to copy files to a storage device AND if the file
     was already written to the device - the option to NOT REPLACE the file existed.  This made it
     easy to backup work on a portable drive.
     LION ONLY has two options - copy all or make an addition copy of the file, causing storage bloat
APPLE NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER PUTTING THESE FEATURES BACK INTO THEIR OS FOR THE BUSINESS AND POWER USER

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