Connecting 2nd router, separate from main router

Hello.. I've been searching the forums for a bit and can't seem to find an answer to this, so I figured I'd start up a thread.. I have A WRT54G connected as the main wireless router in my house. Today I purchased the WRT600N with hopes of connecting it to the same internet connection as the WRT54G but as a completely separate router.. I've spent all day trying to configure it and get a connection with a different IP as the the first router but have yet to accomplish this.. I get to the point where I have a connection to the second router and it has its own IP and everything, but the internet doesn't work.. I was hoping someone could either help me with this or point me in the right direction to find a way of accomplishing this. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. Forgot one thing, not sure if it matters though.. The computer that is connected to the first router is a PC running XP Pro and the computer I'm trying to set up on the second router is a Macbook..
Message Edited by Nupy on 04-27-2008 09:24 PM

What do you mean with "completely separate router"? You cannot completely separate two routers if one hosts the internet connection. The internet connection of the second must run through the first. The LAN of the second can always access the LAN of the first. That's pretty much inevitable with these cheap routers.
Thus, to complete separate two routers/subnets you actually need three routers, one that hosts the internet connection and two connect to the first. Each of those two additional router LANs are then separated as long as the access to the first main router is well secured.
Unless you have very serious reasons to run two subnets I would always recommend a single LAN setup like this.
Other then that I have described possible two router setups here.
If you want to chain the two routers then you have to set them up like this:
1. router
WAN - setup for your internet connection, e.g. PPPoE or DHCP.
LAN IP 192.168.1.1
Subnet mask 255.255.255.0
DHCP server enabled if required.
DHCP server address pool default 192.168.1.100-149
Check the Status tab of the 1. router to make sure that it has a working internet connection. Write down the DNS server addresses you find on the Status page.
2. router
Internet port of the 2. router is connected to a LAN port of the 1. router. You can only make this wired connection AFTER you have configured the second router. Otherwise you may not be able to access the web interface.
WAN - Static IP
WAN IP 192.168.1.2
WAN subnet 255.255.255.0
WAN gateway 192.168.1.1
WAN DNS 1,2,3 enter either 192.168.1.1 or the DNS server addresses from above.
LAN IP address 192.168.2.1
LAN subnet mask 255.255.255.0
DHCP server if required
You have the choice to set the DNS server IP addresses in the DHCP server if you like.
Don't forget to save the settings on the Setup page.
Once you have reconfigured the second router like this you can connect it to the first.
Make sure that the second router is on Gateway mode on the Advanced Routing tab.
This setup will separate the LAN of the second router from the first. This means you cannot access the LAN of the second router from a computer connected to the first router. However, anything connected to the second router is able to connect to anything connected to the first router. This is much all the separation you'll get with these routers.

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Robert

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I have seen many forums and posts on this and nothing seems to help so i will explain my own situation and see if it helps. I am using white macbook, purchased from the apple store in september '07. I am running os x 10.6.8. The router i am using is a D Link DIR 615. The line of connection is as follows: cable from wall to modem, modem to router, and devices connect to router via wireless.Here is my dillema. Airport connects to the router, full bars, i get internet conection for about 2 minutes, then i get nothing. Airport is indicating that I am still connected to the router, and I have an IP (not the 167 or self assigned, it says im good to go). For me to get back on the internet i have to turn off the airport, turn it back on and reconnect to the router. I have tried to renew DHCP lease, i can when connection is good but after the 2 minutes i can't. I tried taking the network off my keychain to where i would have to type in the password each time, that didn't do it. I changed the password on the router, as well as other settings, that didn't do it. The reason this puzzles me and make me believe that it is my own airport is because multiple machines in our household work fine on the router, including a macbook pro form either 09 or '10, an iPhone 3G S, and an android smart phone. other people have come over and used our wireless with no problem. My computer is the only one that does this. And the shame of it is, I am a graphic designer and I use my computer the most in the houshold, and I need the internet connection the most. if anyone has any idea, and I am completely open to giving more information if you need it. I understand it could be extremely technical and it is already beyond my reach.

Hi Kelly Chant-
Any chance that the little AirPort antenna in the back has become dislodged? Try powering down everything on the network including routers and/or switches, wait 10 minutes, turn it all back on and see what happens.
Luck-
-DP

HP Deskjet 4630 e won't connect to router

I have tried every method suggested for setting up the wireless connection between router and printer. I have succeeded in getting the printer to function using a USB but wish to print wirelessly.
The printer does not "see" the router. I have one question, is the SSID the same as our network name? Or is it the name on the back of the router? I've been inputting the name we gave our network and that password.

There are no SSIDs listed at all?
From another wireless device as the computer or a smartphone can you see more than your router's SSID or is this the only listed network in your area?
(In order to deny any issue with the wireless radio of the printer.)
If ther are multiple networks in your area but the printer sees none, try printing a Wireless Test Report and let me know the results of the test. That can be done by following Step four: Print and evaluate a Wireless Network Test below:
http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03916067/
A dual band router is a router who transmit in both the 2.4 and the 5.0 GHz bands, as I can see by your router specifications it is not a dual band router.
Please let me know the results of the Wireless Test,
Shlomi
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