Connecting ap extreme (dual-band) to ap express b/g via wds

main question: can i have two b/g ap expresses extend the b/g signal from a main dual band station?
either this is way complicated or i'm really slow (i know). i have a new-ish ap extreme dual band (v. 7.5.2) and two older ap expresses (v. 6.3). i thought i was extending the extreme's b/g signal by choosing the "join a wireless network" option, and just learned that option does not extend the b/g signal. maybe i am slow...
i learned that the ap extreme dual band's checkbox "allow the network to be extended" is only for other N wireless airports (counter-intuitive). i learned that trying to make my remote (but not relay!) ap expresses participate in a wds network, first, causes them to need to be reset. every time. i learned that i need to make the wds setting on the main station FIRST, and option-click on the wireless mode menu (counter-intuitive? sheesh!) i've read several posts about people having problems (one person said apple doesn't really want us to use wds, so that's why it's hidden). i found this page and did all the steps on the main station:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2355832?threadID=2355832&tstart=0
and the result was an amber light w/ a wds error (i saw the amber light in the airport utility window, i didn't check to see if the unit was blinking).
neither the above link, nor the pdf mentioned (http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/Designing_AirPort_Networks_10.5-Windows.pdf) pages 42-46 mention a wds error or what to do.
w/ the wds error, i still had internet, but could not access the other two b/g ap expresses to make them wds remotes.
2nd-ary question: why is this so hard? why the secret option-click menu? why doesn't the apple help utility spell this out (it only mentions N airport, and says for other devices, to "check the Apple Support Website.")? there are so many posts on this, some are poorly worded (maybe mine too!), some are slightly different scenarios...
any help is greatly appreciated.
marc

Marc,
I would suggest that you decide whether to move back 5-6 years and use WDS....with a tremendous loss of performance on your dual band Extreme....(It becomes a "g" wireless router using WDS and the bandwidth of your entire network will drop by half for each AirPort Express you have on the network).
So, instead of "n" wireless at 130 Mbps, your WDS setup will yield 13 Mbps at best. WDS is very difficult for most users to setup because it is very easy to make a mistake and hard to find your way out when you do.
The "Extend a wireless network" setup will maintain "n" speeds on the entire network with a very small bandwith loss. But, you have to use all "n" devices for this to work, and you can only have "main" and "remotes". There are no "relays" in this setup. It is a much easier setup to configure than WDS.
The Apple document below provides all the details. I could not tell from your post whether you had looked at this.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4145

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The most crucial issue is the the Tivo, because the Premiere only works with Ethernet (I dont' have and wont' buy the upgraded wireless doohickey), but of course I would prefer that the Express also act to extend the signal, and I particularly want it do so using WEP access (or nothing, see below), since I have a second Tivo which ONLY works wirelessly and which ONLY works using WEP, not WPA.
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Scatmac wrote:
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Hello mike1970. Welcome to the Apple Discussions!
How can I make use of an older version of the Airport Extreme 802.11n (non dual band) in my network?
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No.
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